Bignell families

Charlotte Bignell b. 1844

Super User Bignell families 24 October 2023

Charlotte Bignell

Charlotte Bignell

BIRTH 1844 • Bishops Sutton, Alresford, Hampshire, England

DEATH 1908 • Fulham, Middlesex, England

Help

Help, introduction, information, and repeated segments

Introduction - Explanation

Discovery

I have decided to split the information about this person into two main sections. The first is discovery. Generally the first discovery is from Ancestry Trees and Hints. For the avoidance of repetition, I will not repeat that in the Discovery section for each person. Sometimes the lead maybe from MyHeritage, or other similar genealogy sites. Where that is the case, I will state so. Another lead could be DNA, including Ancestry's ThroughLines, again to be stated.

However, the main point of the discovery section is to create something of a story for the person and his or her life. A brief synopsis, sometimes over and above that created by Ancestry's AI.

Data Sheet

The next part is the Data Sheet. Designed to be the collection of all the records, and information found about the person. It can include records already shown in the Discovery Section, for completeness of the Data Sheet. However, although the template is structured for lots of possible information, I am sure that there will be times when there will be many gaps, which will be left so, just in case more information comes to light at a later time.

Structure

The structure of the family website is multifaceted. It depends of where you come into the site as to how transparent this is. The most simple page is that of a single person. More complicated is a single family, where there is a father and the articles within for associated people such as wife and children. The next level is multi-generation built around a hub, Articles within articles, generation after generation. With time it slowly grows. Each person within the growing mass, has a single focused article with a similar structure. This method, I think, gives structure to the reader, and to me.

This itself is a snippet which is frequently repeated, and not therefore specific.

Transcription of records is generally shown in this colour.

Census and Voting Registers

UK Census dates

UK Census dates from 1911Census.org;

1841 Census Sunday 6^th June 1841
1851 Census Sunday 30^th March 1851
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
1871 Census Sunday 2^nd April 1871
1881 Census Sunday 3^rd April 1881
1891 Census Sunday 5^th April 1891
1901 Census Sunday 31^st March 1901
1911 Census Sunday 2^nd April 1911
1921 Census Sunday 19^th June 1921
1931 Census Sunday 26^th April 1931
1941 Census -- Not held - WWII --
1951 Census Sunday 8^th April 1951
1961 Census Sunday 23^rd April 1961
1971 Census Sunday 25^th April 1971
1981 Census Sunday 5^th April 1981
1991 Census Sunday 21^st April 1991
2001 Census Sunday 29^th April 2001
2011 Census Sunday 27^th March 2011
2021 Census Sunday 21^st March 2021

In March, 4; April, 12; June, 2.

<1939 Register Friday 29^th September 1939>

The Spelling of Surnames

It is commonly accepted that for the printed word, the spelling system became standardised by the end of the seventeenth century. Powerful influences had been the introduction of the printing press (with spelling conventions set by the printers) and the publication of dictionaries. This standardisation was not echoed in the recording of surnames. Famously, Shakespeare had 5 other variants of his name, in his lifetime. Indeed, standardisation did not arrive until the advent of mass literacy in the twentieth century.
In surname studies, there is a complicated relationship between pronunciation, orthography and, presumably, the influence of the standardisation conventions of printed text.

Bignell - Bignel - Bignall - Bignal - Bignail

Probably due to the times, and general level of illiteracy, the spelling of surnames fluctuates. The current consistent surname is Bignell, and that will be our theme irrespective of the spelling on individual documents, unless stated otherwise.

Discovery

Research, general digging and discovery

DNA

Ancestry DNA relationships and matches to Charlotte Bignell

GEDmatch

One of the Ancestry hints for Charlotte is for the tree of Deanna Hawke. According to Ancestry Deanna and I are not a DNA match. However, Deanna has included a number of GEDmatch person codes. On the first run at 7cm I don't get a match with XJ2353795 - Betty Bignell, however, if I change 7cm to 3cm I get the following match;

XJ2353795 - Betty Bignell

Largest segment = 5.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 44cM (1.227 Pct)
12 shared segments found for this comparison.
430320 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.353 Pct SNPs are full identical

For MG4841725 - Deanna Hawke, also set to 3cm, but with no match at 7cm;

Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 27.7cM (0.774 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
430323 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.31 Pct SNPs are full identical

For FM7300581 - Peter Hawke, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 5.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 47.7cM (1.329 Pct)
13 shared segments found for this comparison.
420850 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.449 Pct SNPs are full identical

For T643327 - Gail Tyler, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 51.1cM (1.426 Pct)
14 shared segments found for this comparison.
417591 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.404 Pct SNPs are full identical

For XN2590913 - Julie W, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 43.1cM (1.201 Pct)
12 shared segments found for this comparison.
419508 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.344 Pct SNPs are full identical

For LJ2029152 - Kyle Hek, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 42.5cM (1.185 Pct)
12 shared segments found for this comparison.
524510 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.775 Pct SNPs are full identical

For TZ1642588 - Paul Braybrooke, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21.4cM (0.597 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
524889 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.843 Pct SNPs are full identical

That is a full match for the GEDmatch codes that Deanna provided, albeit at between 4-5cm, which adds to the veracity of the people in the trees being related. However, as it is less than 7cm it cannot be interpreted as a DNA match.

This is something of an aside, an addition to the paper trail starting down the Charlotte Bignell branch.

DNA path between 4th cousin 1x removed, 3rd cousin 1x removed, 2nd cousin and me.

4th cousin 1x removed, name withheld

The name is withheld, on request, for privacy reasons. She is a DNA match to me.

She is also a shared DNA match to Stephen Paul Pomeroy, who was born in first Quarter 1967 in Southampton, Hampshire, England an is my 2nd cousin.

Stephen's relationship to me is via Dan Pomeroy and his wife Mary Ann Bignell. They were my great-grandfather and great-grandmother.

Her link to Stephen continues via Mary Ann Bignell and her father, Stephen Bignell and his sister, Charlotte Bignell, which gives common ancestors of their parents, William Bignell and his wife Mary Ann Butcher, my 3rd Great Grandparents.

Shared Matches according to Ancestry

Expanding our thoughts beyond the Charlotte Bignell's DNA matches, Carr, Danny Hodgkins, David Jones, as part of exercise of looking at both direct DNA matches, but also those shared matches, both secondary and tertiary.

Birth and Baptism

Marriage

Charlotte's first marriage.

Charlotte's first husband.

James Booth

BIRTH ABT 1865 • Hampshire, England

DEATH Unknown

Discovery

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James Booth married Charlotte Bignell on 09 Apr 1866 at Alverstoke, Hampshire, England.

Together they had a daughter, Helen Julia Booth, shortly after moving to Gosport, who was baptised on 1 Dec 1867 Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, England. I think Bishops Sutton had been their residence prior to moving to Gosport, where James became a Marine or Mariner, depending on how you read the Christening record. Helen was born 15 months after her parents married, and baptised 4 months, 21 days after birth.

The record is from the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, which was the original entry for place of Abode, before being changed to Gosport.

Also of interest is that the surname Booth appears to be overwritten on Bignell. I think that is just an error, and not an indication of illegitimate birth. The two records beneath this one are clearly inscribed

'illegitimate son of' followed by the mother's name.

Helen Julia Booth grew up and in 1900 got married.

On 22nd November 1900, at St. John's Church Paddington, London Arthur James Clarke, aged 29, a bachelor of 1 Myddleton Square Clerkenwell, Middlesex, (London), an Insurance Agent by profession, married.

Ellen Julia Booth, aged 33, a spinster, of 3 Hyde Park Place, Westminster. Their fathers were William Henry Clarke, a Coachman, and James Booth, a Royal Marine.

It seems that Helen has become known as Ellen, and not just a vicar's transcription error, as she signed her own name.

The church was known as Saint John The Evangelist, Paddington: Hyde Park Crescent, Westminster, England.

Number 3 Hyde Park Place is the property behind the lamppost.

OS Map 25" with the marker on 3 Hyde Park Place

From both the Baptism and Marriage records of his daughter Helen, James Booth's occupation was as a Royal Marine, at least between 1867 and 1900. A period of at least 33 years. However, so far I have not found any records regarding his military career. I have searched a number of sites including Royal Marines Historical, and the National Archives.

Data Sheet

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

William Bignell was born in 1816 in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire. He married Mary Ann Butcher on 23 January 1841 in his hometown. They had ten children in 18 years. He died in January 1885 in Alresford at the age of 69.

Baptism

Marriage

Census and Voting Registers

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Children

Hannah Butcher nee Pitters and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.

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Death

Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
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	Census 1861
	Baptism of
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	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

Tree

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Charlotte's second marriage.

Charlotte's second husband.

John Page

BIRTH 1838 • Bentworth, Hampshire, England

DEATH 1925 • Wandsworth, London, England

Discovery

Data Sheet

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

Baptism

Marriage

Census and Voting Registers

1841

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1851

1861

1871

1881

1891

1901

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Children

Hannah Butcher nee Pitters and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.

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Death

Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

Tree

Family Tree for xx
			his father	his mother	her farther	her mother

				him	her

child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

				next ancestor	or next ancestor

child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

Children

Death

Data Sheet

Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849		(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850		(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
				1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

Tree

Family Tree for xx
			his father	his mother	her farther	her mother

				James Booth	Charlotte Bignell

Helen Julia Booth	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

				John Page	Charlotte Bignell

Edwin / Edward Page	Beatrice Sarah Page	Albert John Page	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

Stephen Bignell b. 1841

Super User Bignell families 30 November 2021

Stephen Bignell

BIRTH April 1841 • Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, England
DEATH January 1887 • Alresford, Hampshire, England

2nd great-grandfather

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

When Stephen Bignell was born in April 1841 in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, his father, William, was 25 and his mother, Mary, was 20. He married Elizabeth Ann Russell on 22 January 1863 in his hometown. They had 11 children in 23 years. He died in January 1887 in Alresford at the age of 45, and was buried in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire.

William Bignell b. 1816

Ivan Hurst Bignell families 30 November 2021

William Bignell

BIRTH 1816 • Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire, England
DEATH January 1885 • Alresford, Hampshire, England

3th great-grandfather

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

William Bignell was born in 1816 in Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire. He married Mary Ann Butcher on 23 January 1841 in his hometown. They had ten children in 18 years. He died in January 1885 in Alresford at the age of 69.