Edward Rathe Biddlecombe
Another family another article.
Edward Rathe Biddlecombe
1729–1814
Birth 1729 • Plaitford, Wiltshire, England
Death 1814 • Landford, Wiltshire, England
Starting relationship;
Un-attached at start
Starting Ancestry Synopsis;
Edward Rathe Biddlecombe was born in 1729 in Plaitford, Wiltshire, the son of Elizabeth and UNKNOWN. He married Elizabeth Scorey in 1754 in his hometown. They had 11 children in 24 years. He died in 1814 in Landford, Wiltshire, having lived a long life of 85 years, and was buried there.
I also received from Sandy a Biddlecombe Descendants file which starts with;-
1. Elizabeth Biddlecombe was baptized on 22 Nov 1703 in Salisbury, Wiltshire. She died in 1735 in Salisbury, Wiltshire. She was buried on 21 Mar 1735 at St Martins in Salisbury, Wiltshire.
Elizabeth Biddlecombe had the following child:
+2 i. Edward Rathe Biddlecombe, born 1729, Plaitford, Wiltshire; married Elizabeth Scorey, 1754, Plaitford, Wiltshire; died 1814, Landford, Wiltshire.
Some initial notes about Edward Rathe Biddlecombe I have added to my Ancestry Tree about him;-
- Father not mentioned, nor purported to be, or alleged on Baptism Record.
- Suspected another Elizabeth Biddlecome family in the area at the same time who married John Fleet 25 Jun 1726 • Salisbury St Thomas, Wiltshire, England. i.e. before the birth of Edward Rathe. No mention of Elizabeth being a widow on the Baptism Record, and other children born to other family. Most probably separate people.
- DNA may subsequently resolve mystery father.
Until there are sufficient DNA clues, the father will remain UNKNOWN.
Notes.
The expectation is that people reading this will use it in different ways. Some will just jump to the conclusion, whilst some others will want more information and go to the datasheet. A very few may read cover to cover, which I hope you will find interesting and informative.
This will be a particularly difficult investigation as there are so many similar named people with dates and places also similar.
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Edward Rathe Biddlecombe
Surname : Biddlecombe (or variations)
Child's First Name: Edward Rathe
Date of Baptism : 17 Aug 1729
Parent(s) : Elizabeth Biddlecombe
Parish : Downton, Wiltshire
Son / Daughter : Son
Notes : Base Born
Potential parents
Introduction - Explanation
Discovery
I have decided to split the information about this person into two main sections. The first is discovery. Generally the first discovery is from Ancestry Trees and Hints. For the avoidance of repetition, I will not repeat that in the Discovery section for each person. Sometimes the lead maybe from MyHeritage, or other similar genealogy sites. Where that is the case, I will state so. Another lead could be DNA, including Ancestry's ThroughLines, again to be stated.
However, the main point of the discovery section is to create something of a story for the person and his or her life. A brief synopsis, sometimes over and above that created by Ancestry's AI.
Data Sheet
The next part is the Data Sheet. Designed to be the collection of all the records, and information found about the person. It can include records already shown in the Discovery Section, for completeness of the Data Sheet. However, although the template is structured for lots of possible information, I am sure that there will be times when there will be many gaps, which will be left so, just in case more information comes to light at a later time.
Structure
The structure of the family website is multifaceted. It depends of where you come into the site as to how transparent this is. The most simple page is that of a single person. More complicated is a single family, where there is a father and the articles within for associated people such as wife and children. The next level is multi-generation built around a hub, Articles within articles, generation after generation. With time it slowly grows. Each person within the growing mass, has a single focused article with a similar structure. This method, I think, gives structure to the reader, and to me.
This itself is a snippet which is frequently repeated, and not therefore specific.
Transcription of records is generally shown in this colour.
Discovery
Discovery
This is the research hub. A record of the information I have found, or sometimes not found, whist digging around in the past to find out about this family.
It could be called Research and Discovery, but the section mainly only records the discoveries made, hence the name.
The first part is very easy, outlining the seed or inspiration for this article, together with using Ancestry to provide some information about the Surname, Biddlecombe. There is also a brief history of why we are lucky enough to have parish records today to delve into.
The next section is also, relatively easy, where I try to establish the initial parameters for the research. Of course, there will be rabbit holes which will need to be jumped in on the way, but that is only natural. Going down the rabbit whole is part of the frustration, and part of the fun.
The parish registers next, the serious, and very time consuming section.
I do a page turn of the Register images looking for any entries with the surname Biddlecombe, as well as variations of that surname. This is part of the process of trying to establish Edward Biddlecomb's family.
By seeing families in the Baptism Register can help eliminate alternative options for residents in Hampshire and Wiltshire, but only those of the Church of England. Dissident registers are held elsewhere.
I start with baptisms, but obliviously this method excludes families without children, but we know Edward married and had children because of the Ancestry Family tree, we just need to verify that. It also does not take into account other variables such as change of location.
This has only been one pass so I might have missed a Biddlecombe entry.
Although page turning the registry is slow, time consuming laborious work, it can bring forth revelations not possible by just searching the datasets of the transcriptions. In amongst such records, I found a missing baptism, with from what I could decipher was the surname Biddelcomb. The writing of that had a distinctive shape. When again searching for that shape, I found additional records which had been transcribed, and entered into the dataset, but with different surnames. Looking at the information in isolation, I can fully understand the reasons why the transcription was as it was, but by the shapes, they were possibly, probably the same family.
Continue with Marriages, and Burials
The Spelling of Surnames
It is commonly accepted that for the printed word, the spelling system became standardised by the end of the seventeenth century. Powerful influences had been the introduction of the printing press (with spelling conventions set by the printers) and the publication of dictionaries. This standardisation was not echoed in the recording of surnames. Famously, Shakespeare had 5 other variants of his name, in his lifetime. Indeed, standardisation did not arrive until the advent of mass literacy in the twentieth century.
In surname studies, there is a complicated relationship between pronunciation, orthography and, presumably, the influence of the standardisation conventions of printed text.
With more names discovered, search for other sources, such as military and criminal records, wills, and newspapers.
The final part is to copy the relevant findings into the Data Sheet.
Seed
The seed for this research and discovery starts with the core data from Hampshire Genealogical Society (HGS), and his entry on my Family Tree in Ancestry
From the investigation into Biddlecombe families of the Parish of Eling, Hampshire, it is established that Edward Biddlecom maried Mary Plaskett. This is aa different Edward Biddlecombe. The task here is to try and resolve this family and find other relatives. and where those fit in the tree.
The search of information may be quite wide, with the result, hopefully, that the research could be useful to other people.
The information will be recorded below, and in Ancestry and my TNG database for this family.
This discovery will explore his parents, siblings, and children, as well as himself and his wife.
Biddlecome Surname
Why do we have Parish Records.
Why do we have Parish Records
Act for the Keeping of Parish Registers 1538
As family historians we own a debt of gratitude to Thomas Cromwell, Lord Privy Seal to Henry VIII and Chief Secretary to the King, for the creation of this act in Henry VIII's 29th year of reign. Without it and the subsequent similar act from Queen Elizabeth in 1558, we would not have such extensive records to assist us in our hobbies or professions.
A good précis of the history is found at Family Search, 'History of Parish Registers in England', reproduced in part below.
Medieval - In medieval times there were no parish registers. For some years before the Reformation, monastic houses (especially the smaller ones) the parish priest had been developing the custom of noting in an album or on the margins of the service books, the births and deaths of the leading local families.
1538 - Through the efforts of Thomas Cromwell a mandate was issued by Henry VIII to keep parish registers. This order that every parson, vicar or curate was to enter in a book every wedding, christening and burial in his parish. The parish was to provide a sure coffer with two locks, the parson having the custody of one key, the wardens the others. The entries were to be made each Sunday after the service in the presence of one of the wardens. The mandate was enforced under a penalty of 3 sols, 4 deniers for the repair' of the church. These entries were made on paper, sometimes upon loose sheets. The bishop in their visitations were to see that the names of sponsors were duly entered in the registers of baptism. The parishioners penalty was divided between the poor box and repairs for the church.
1558 - Queen Elizabeth passed another law that was a duplicate of her father's . Many more registers began at this date. Many of these very early records are hard to read plus being written in Latin and are often very sparse - giving only the fathers name at a Christening and only the persons name in a burial entry. The registers were the property of the incumbent minister and each parish was required to maintain a chest in the parish church for the safe keeping of the same. In time other records were kept in the chest such as poor law records, which were actually the civil parish records. Other records kept in the chest were removal orders, bastardy bonds, overseers of the poor accounts, Tithe award and Maps, Enclosure Awards and Maps, Church Wardens Accounts, etc.
1597 - Registers were to be made of parchment instead of paper, and annual reports of all parish register entries were required to be sent to the appropriate bishop, called Church of England Parish Registers (BT). No doubt the reason we have gaps in some of the early parish registers or they do not exist at all, is that the paper had disintegrated and were not available. In some areas earlier registers were destroyed at this time and some were recopied on parchment.
Some ministers made copies for the Bishop as entries were made in the register, some waited until the end of the year to make these copies. Some entries could have been missed. Most often the original parish entry is more complete.
1598 - The entries that were made on paper, sometimes upon loose sheets, and sixty years later these registers were ordered to be copied upon parchment in books, so that the registers which still survive dating back to 1538-1539 (perhaps about 1400 to 1500 in number). Therefore, any parish which survived this date are rarely the original entries. Some of the earliest paper registers had disappeared even before the transcription was ordered.
1731: 4 George 2 c.26: Proceedings in Courts of Justice Act
1731: 4 George 2 c.26: An act that all proceedings in courts of justice within that part of Great Britain called England, and in the court of exchequer in Scotland, shall be in the English language.
[This extended to Wales by 6 Geo. 2. c.14.]
[After 25 March 1733, all proceedings in courts in England, or exchequer in Scotland, to be in English, and in words at length. 6 Geo. 2. c. 6.]
That from and after the twenty-fifth day of March one thousand seven hundred and thirty-three, all writs, process and returns thereof, and proceedings thereon, and all pleadings, rules, orders, indictments, informations, inquisitions, preferments, verdicts, prohibitions, certificates, and all patents, charters, pardons, commissions, records, judgments, statutes, recognizances, bonds, rolls, entries, fines and recoveries, and all proceedings relating thereunto, and all proceedings of courts leet, courts baron and customary courts, and all copies thereof, and all proceedings whatsoever in any courts of justice within that part of Great Britain called England, and in the court of exchequer in Scotland, and which concern the law and administration of justice, shall be in the English tongue and language only, and not in Latin or French, or any other tongue or language whatsoever, and shall be written in such a common legible hand and character, as the acts of parliament are usually engrossed in, and the lines and words of the same to be written at least as close as the said acts usually are, and not in any hand commonly called court hand, and in words at length and not abbreviated; any law, custom or usage heretofore to the contrary thereof notwithstanding:
This Act is referred to in S.C. Wilks notes the Nursling Register, but may be incorrectly referenced.
However, English was used in the Parish Registers form this date.
1752 - The Gregorian Calendar was adopted and the first day of the year was changed from March 25th (Ladyday) to January 1st. Up to 1752 use double dating between Jan.1st to Mar. 25th.
1753: 26 George 2 c.33: An Act for the Better Preventing of Clandestine Marriage.
Whereas great Mischiefs and Inconveniencies have arisen from Clandestine Marriages; for preventing thereof for the future, Be it enabled by the King’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the Authority of the same, That from and after the twenty-fifth Day of March in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and fifty-four, all Banns of Matrimony shall be published in an audible manner in the Parish Church, or in some publick Chapel, in which publick Chapel Banns of Matrimony have been usually published, of or belonging to such Parish or Chapelry wherein the Persons to be married shall dwell, according to the Form of Words prescribed by the Rubrick prefixed to the Office of Matrimony in the Book of Common Prayer, upon three Sundays preceding the Solemnization of Marriage, during the Time of Morning Service, or of Evening Service (if there be no Morning Service in such Church or Chapel upon any of those Sundays) immediately after the second Lesson: And whensoever it shall happen that the Persons to be married shall dwell in divers Parishes or Chapelries, the Banns shall in like manner be published in the Church or Chapel belonging to such Parish or Chapelry wherein each of the said Persons shall dwell; and where both or either of the Persons to be married shall dwell in any extraparochial Place, (having no Church or Chapel wherein Banns have been usually published) then the Banns shall in like manner be published in the Parish Church or Chapel belonging to some Parish or Chapelry adjoining to such Extraparochial Place: And where Banns shall be published in any Church or Chapel belonging to any Parish adjoining to such Extraparochial Place, the Parson, Vicar, Minister Curate, publishing such Banns shall, in Writing under his Hand, certify the Publication thereof in such manner as if either of the Persons to be married dwelt in such adjoining Parish; and that all other the Rules prescribed by the said Rubrick concerning the Publication of Banns, and the Solemnization of Matrimony, and not hereby altered, shall be duly observed; and that in all Cases where Banns shall have been published, the Marriage shall be solemnized in one of the Parish Churches or Chapels where such Banns have been published, and in no other Place whatsoever.
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XIV. And for preventing undue Entries and Abuses in Registers of Marriages; Be it enacted by the Authority aforesaid, That on or before the twenty-fifth Day of March in the Year one-thousand seven hundred and fifty-four, and from Time to Time afterwards as there shall be Occasion, the Church-wardens and Chapel-wardens of every Parish or Chapelry shall provide proper Books of Vellum, or good and durable Paper in which all Marriages and Banns of Marriage respectively, there published or solemnized, shall be registered, and every Page thereof shall be marked at the Top, with the Figure of the Number of every such Page, beginning at the second Leaf with Number-one; and every Leaf or Page so numbered, shall be ruled with Lines at proper and equal Distances from each other, or as near as may be; and all Banns and Marriages published or celebrated in any Church or Chapel, or within any such Parish or Chapelry, shall be respectively entered, registered, printed, or written upon or as near as conveniently may be to such ruled Line , and shall be signed by the Parson, Vicar, Minister or Curate, or by some other Person in his Presence and by his Direction; and such Entries shall be made as aforesaid, on or near such Lines in successive Order, where the Paper is not damaged or decayed, by Accident or Length of Time, until a new Book shall be thought proper or necessary to be provided for the same Purposes, and then the Directions aforesaid shall be observed in every such new Book; and all Books provided as aforesaid shall be deemed to belong to every such Parish or Chapel respectively, and shall be carefully kept and preserved for publick Use.
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XV. And in order to preserve the Evidence of Marriages, and to make the Proof thereof more certain and easy, and for the Direction of Ministers in the Celebration of Marriages and registering thereof, Be it enacted, That from and after the twenty-fifth Day of March in the Year one thousand seven hundred and fifty-four, all Marriages shall be solemnized in the Presence of two or more credible Witnesses, besides the Minister who shall celebrate the same; and that immediately after the Celebration of every Marriage, an Entry thereof shall he made in such Register to be kept as aforesaid ; in which Entry or Register it shall be expressed, That the said Marriage was celebrated by Banns or Licence; and if both or either of the Parties married by Licence, be under Age, with Consent of the Parents or Guardians, as the Case shall be and shall be signed by the Minister with his proper Addition, and also by the Parties married, and attested by such two Witnesses; which Entry shall be made in the Form or to the Effect following; that is to say
A.B. of [the this] Parish
and C.D. of [the this] Parish
were married in this [Church Chapel] by [Banns Licence] with Consent of [Parents Guardians] this Day of in the Year by me J.J. [Rector Vicar Curate]
This Marriage was solemnized between us A.B. C.D. in the Presence of E.F. G.H.
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etc.
Without these Acts, there would be little to no records upon which to base our research and discovery.
Discovery
Research and discovery starts with trying to establish the parameters for the research.
Extent of Biddlecombe Surname, and variations.
This is part of the process of trying to establish if there are other Biddlecombe families in the area, which could confuse matters, and their distribution. By seeing families in the Baptism Register can help eliminate alternative options for residents in Hampshire and Wiltshire, of the Church of England. Obliviously this method excludes families without children. It also does not take into account other variables such as change of location. It is just indicative, but helpful.
Refer to Biddlecombe families of the Parish of Eling, Hampshire
Do not read below yet! Not completed from copy template
Baptism
Downton 1682 to 1735
Baptisms in the Downton Parish Register 1682 to 1735
The first interest in this registry is looking for the Baptism of Edward Rathe Biddlecombe or variations of that spelling.
The range of search shown below is 1729 to 1729, according to the file from Sandy, 'Biddlecombe Descendants', he was born in 1729. Remember that until 1752 the beginning of the New Year was 25 March (Lady Day, the Feast of the Annunciation).
Baptisms in the Year 1729
Edward Rathe the Son of Elizabeth Biddlecombe August ye 17 Base born.
This is my interpretation of that written above, with lots of reference to other sections of the text.
This mother is therefore Elizabeth Biddlecombe without any reference to a husband, widowhood, or an alleged father, but with a note that the child was baseborn, aka illegitimate. I therefore conclude that she is a single Mum, at least at the time of his baptism.
As far as I can see there are only four boys baptised William in the Parish of Nursling between the years 1730 to 1735 inclusive. None of them to a Mabey of similar family.
The search will have to be widened.
Nursling 1736 to 1797
Baptisms in the Nursling Parish Register 1736 to 1797
Baptised at Nursling Parish Church, St Boniface.
Looking in the relevant Parish Registers first, starting with Nursling, Hampshire.
I did a page turn of the Register images looking for any entries with the surname Mabey, aided by the HGS Baptism Index shown above.
Looking through other registers there are a lot of babies privately baptised because they are weak or sick who are taken into the "Congregation of Xt's Flock", "Congregation of Christ's Flock", or "buried on", all in the same entry.
There are a number of recognisable family names within the early pages, which may or may not be related, but it is not until 17?? that I came across the Baptism of a Mabey.
Before listing the finds in the Mabey family, lets look at the Long family.
This is to establish a presence of the Long family in the parish of Nursling, which may help explain the addition of a Mabey family to Nursling parish. Where did William Mabey move from when he married Ann Long in St Boniface Church in Nursling?
Mary, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long
10. Mary, Daughr. of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long.
July 10, 1740 Mary, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long.
This register only started in 1736 and this is page 3, with the page numbers added later in pencil by S. C. Wilks.
Note two other sad entries on this page, '... privately baptised & both soon after died' and '... privately baptised and died after some few days.' Checks in burials may possibly include the mother. Child birth was a particularly difficult and hazardous event in these times.
Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long
Oct: 9. Ann, Daughr. of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long.
Oct: 9, 1741. Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long.
Potentially, this Ann Long is the mother of John Mabey. Look to marriages section to find William Mabey married to Ann Long.
Susan, Daughter, of Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long
Apr 22 Susan, Daughr, of Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long P.ly
Willm Kelsey admitted into ye Congregation May 14, & Susan Long the 25th
Apr 22 1744 Susan, Daughter, of Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long Baptised Privately. William Kelsey admitted into the Congregation May 14, & Susan Long the May 25th
Again, not a Mabey for this baptism record. However, it is another Long, the significance of which will hopefully become apparent later. Also it is an example of Baptised Privately and subsequently admitted into the Congregation / Church.
Nathan, Richard, & Phebe Sons and Daughter of Nathan & Rebecca Long
July 20 Nathan Richard & Phebe Sons and Daughter of Nathan & Rebecca Long
July 20 1749 Nathan, Richard, & Phebe Sons and Daughter of Nathan & Rebecca Long
A job lot? Susan Long, above, was Baptised on Apr 22 1744, approximately 5 years before this Baptism. Which is sufficient time for 3 separate pregnancies giving rise to 3 children being baptised at the same time. It could be triplets, or twins and a single, but the is sufficient time interval for it to be three individual births between 1745 and 1749.
John Son of Nathan & Rebecca Long
Jan 28 John S. of Nathan & Rebecca Long
Jan 28 1758 John Son of Nathan & Rebecca Long
On this page there is also the baptism of Catharine, daughter of Edmund and Martha Morris, the Rector of this parish, and his wife.
| Baptism date | Child name | S/D | Parents |
|---|---|---|---|
| July 10, 1740 | Mary Long | D | Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long. |
| Oct: 9, 1741 | Ann Long | D | Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long. |
| Apr 22, 1744 | Susan Long | D | Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long |
| July 20, 1749 | Nathan Long | S | Nathan & Rebecca Long |
| July 20, 1749 | Richard Long | S | Nathan & Rebecca Long |
| July 20, 1749 | Phebe Long | D | Nathan & Rebecca Long |
| Jan 28 1758 | John Long | S | Nathan & Rebecca Long |
Seven children in 18 years, is not implausible, nor is the gaps between them, albeit three baptised at the same time. I have given those three estimated years of birth between 1745 and 1749. However, is this one family or two. Parents are Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long until 1744 and then at the next baptism, in 1749, they are Nathan & Rebecca Long. Very similar names, but are the people one in the same? On the basis of probability, I will go with the thought that it is all one family, but I accept that is not definitive.
I think there is sufficient evidence to confirm that there is an established presence of a Long family in the Parish of Nursling.
Now on to the Mabey surname.
Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby
Aug 1 Martha D of Willm & Mary Maby
Aug 1, 1761 Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby
Maby is not Mabey but is similar.
William Mabey and Ann Long were married at St Boniface Church, Nursling, Hampshire on 29 October 1760. So 1st August 1761 is a respectable date of first born after marriage.
However, who is Mary? William married Ann, not Mary. Is Mary an alternative name for Ann, such as Mary Ann, or Ann Mary. Not according to the baptism record.
Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby
May 4 Susan. D. of Willm & Anne Maby
May 4, 1764 Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby
Again, Maby is not Mabey but is similar.
At least the parents are the expected William and Ann.
1768
Ann Daughter of James Penny
Ann the Daughter of James Penny was baptised February vii - 7th Feb 1768, was baptised at St Boniface Church Nursling.
1768
Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey
Sep 12 Joseph. S, of Willm. & Anne Mabey
Sep 12, 1768, Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey.
1771
John Son of William & Anne Mabey
Jan 17 Jno S of William & Anne Mabey
Jan 17, 1771 John Son of William & Anne Mabey
1773
Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey
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May 31 Richd S. of Wm & Anne Mabey
May 31, 1773 Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey
1775
John, Son of John & Sarah Penny
I have copied both pages of the register for 1775 here, looking for John Penny. For the whole year of 1775 there are only two baptisms with male names beginning with J,
June 6 Jno S. of James & Eliz. Gateril
June 18th John, Son of John & Sarah Penny
The next record is Milly, shown below
1775
Milly Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Aug 30 Milly, D. of Willm & Ann Mabey
Aug 30, 1775 Milly Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
1778
Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
Feb 15 Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
Feb 15, 1778 Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
1780
Susan Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Sep 17 Susan, D. of William & Ann Mabey
Sep 17, 1780 Susan Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Second use of the name Susan in this family, which implies the first Susan died before this year.
1782
Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Novr 17. Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Nov 17, 1782 Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Note surname written as Maybe not Mabey. Assumed to be the same family.
Another copy within the same Register, fortunately with the same information.
Charlotte Mabey
The above is a extract from the Maybee Society regarding Charlotte Mabey b. 1781.
However, so far, I have not found any primary data in respect of Charlotte.
The above is the page for the Parish of Nursling Register in the Baptised section, for 1781. There is no entry for a Charlotte on this page.
The Hampshire Genealogical Society (HGS) Baptism Index 1752 -1812 did not reveal any potential matches, across Hampshire.
The last entry for Baptisms in this section of the Registry is page 36 for the year 1787. No Mabey family found from Elizabeth in 1782 to 1787.
1797
George Son of John & Mary Maybey
April 23 George S. of John & Mary Maybey
Apr 23, 1797 George Son of John & Mary Maybey
| Baptism date | Child name | S/D | Parents |
|---|---|---|---|
| Aug 1, 1761 | Martha Maby | D | William & Mary Maby |
| Abt. 1762 | William Mabey | S | |
| Abt. 1781 | Charlotte Mabey | D | |
| Apr 23, 1797 | George Maybey | S | John & Mary Maybey |
The three people above are thought to be part of the family according to other Ancestry trees, however, they are not yet proved from the baptism records found so far. The fourth is possibly a grandchild.
| Baptism date | Child name | S/D | Parents |
|---|---|---|---|
| May 4, 1764 | Susan Maby | D | William & Anne Maby |
| Sep 12, 1768 | Joseph Mabey | S | William & Anne Mabey |
| Jan 17 1771 | John Mabey | S | William & Anne Mabey |
| May 31, 1773 | Richard Mabey | S | William & Anne Mabey |
| Aug 30, 1775 | Milly Mabey | D | William & Ann Mabey |
| Feb 15, 1778 | Mary Mabey | D | William and Ann Mabey |
| Sep 17, 1780 | Susan Mabey | D | William & Ann Mabey |
| Nov 17, 1782 | Elizabeth Maybe | D | William & Anne Maybe |
Eight children in 18 years, is not implausible. Even eleven, adding the uncertain children, is still plausible both in terms of elapsed date and separation of dates.
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Nursling 1798 to 1812
Baptisms in the Nursling Parish Register 1798 to 1812
Baptised at Nursling Parish Church, St Boniface.
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Eling 1672 to 1749
Baptisms in the Eling Parish Register 1672 to 1749
Baptised at Eling Parish Church, St Mary the Virgin, aka St Mary's Church.
Following a similar search in the Nursling Parish Register, without result, it is time to turn attention to the Parish of Eling, Hampshire. General searches of numerous datasets of Parish Records and Bishop's Transcripts have not reveled suitable matches. This could be because of errors in transcription, the variable nature of spelling at the time, or the state of the records, missing or difficult to render a reliable transcription.
The reason for looking in Eling next is some information about his father from Rodney Whale.
Notes: William MABY-245
General: This spelling was as baptised.
Was living in Botley, Hants and moved to Eling. He was examined by the Overseers of the Poor and because he had no settlement certificate he was returned to Botley. However a year later he returned to Eling bearing the certificate and was allowed to settle.
His origins are obscure but he was almost certainly from Dorset. He appears in Swanage for a short while, where his first child was baptised in 1726 and his first wife was buried there in 1731. There is a marriage of a Bernard Mabey in Swanage around this time and he may have been William's brother particularly as William named a son as Bernard.
This information was added to in September 2010 by virtue of his baptism being discovered.
The settlement certificate for Botley is dated 19091738 and one of the Overseers of the poor was Jacob Emery, an ancestor of Beryl Whale nee Sharp.
The Removal Order mentioned was dated 03021737.
The first interest in this Eling registry is looking for the Baptism of William Mabey or variations of that spelling. The reason for reviewing these particular years is the Burial record of a William Mayby.
Burials, 1795
April 14 William Mayby aged 63 years
Form his stated age at burial it would suggest a birth of around 1732.
The range of search shown below is 1730 to 1735. Remember that until 1752 the beginning of the New Year was 25 March (Lady Day, the Feast of the Annunciation). This is evident in the pages below.
1730
Following the location of three relevant baptisms, I am reviewing these images again looking for the shape of the surname.
The last line but one reveals:-
Sarah the daughter of George Meabyee was Baptised September iv. Baptised 4th September 1730 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
However, an alternative direction of travel is a Marriage Certificate for a Sarah Meatyar.
Not here, but on my work in progress tree, I have added George Meabyee, annotated hypothesis, as a brother of William Mabey, b. 1705, the father of William Mabey b. 1734, the person whose Baptism record we are searching for.
I have split the page into three parts to ensure that the writing is large enough for you to be able to read it, and find something that I have missed. There will therefore be some duplication at the joints.
You can see that there are a lot more baptisms in a year than in Nursling, as to be expected, Eling is larger both by area and population.
As you can see, the page gets very difficult to read towards the bottom. I can fully understand why this was not transcribed, as that would produce unreliable data.
However, I believe I can make out enough to search for a name of William for the baptised person, and an M for the beginning of the father's surname.
Fortunately, Ancestry, as well as some other sites, has the ability to invert the colours of the image, in the tools section. Sometimes this can make the image more legible. Not always sufficient to transcribe though, and I doubt the original transcribers had this technique available to them.
1731
Below, the sixth record from the top reveals:-
Andrew the Son of Joseph Meabyee was Baptised April vii. Baptised 7th April 1731 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
However, an alternative direction of travel is a Marriage Certificate for a Sarah Meatyar, but no similar alternative for Andrew.
Not here, but on my work in progress tree, I have added Joseph Meabyee, annotated hypothesis, as a brother of William Mabey, b. 1705, the father of William Mabey b. 1734, the person whose Baptism record we are searching for.
1732
Another possible, four records down from the top of the last section; Christian the daughter of George M???? was baptised July xxvi. July 26th 1732 baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling. An unusual name for a daughter. Not transcribed in Ancestry.
Yellow dots, instead of a light wash to highlight, so as to not obscure the writing on the Registry page. Ann the daughter of William Meabee Baptised January vi. Baptised 6th January 1732 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
1733
1734
William the Son of William Maebee was Bapt. March xxxi. Baptised 31st March 1734 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
The blue dot is just to highlight the use of a capital M, in a word recognisable as Mary, for comparison with Maebee, which is much less certain.
1735
Mary the daughter of William Maebee was Baptised March viii. Baptised 8th March 1735 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
1736 Part only
Bernard the Son of William Meabe was Baptised March i. Baptised on 1st March 1736 at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
1738
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge was baptised October xxxi - 31st October 1738, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
The baptism record above Ann, is also interesting, Robert Brown of about 17 Years of Age (his Parents being Quakers) was bap: Oct. xxi. Further confirms that older children may have their age shown, and sometimes annotated with a reason for late baptism.
Eling 1750 to 1798
Baptisms in the Eling Parish Register 1750 to 1798
Baptised at Eling Parish Church, St Mary the Virgin, aka St Mary's Church.
A reminder that until 1752 the beginning of the New Year was 25 March (Lady Day, the Feast of the Annunciation). This is evident in the pages below.
1750
Thomas the Son of John & Elizabeth Penny
Thomas the Son of John & Elizabeth Penny was baptised July xiii - 13th July 1750, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
Not particularly relevant, just the same surname.
However, it does provide some evidence of Penny family or families in the Parish of Eling, at least from 1750.
1759
Ann Daughter of William and Mary Eldridge
Ann Daughter of William and Mary Eldridge was baptized July xv - 15th July 1759, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
List of Rectors & Vicars
A spectacular find. Click on image to go to source.
This list is so helpful. In the past I would look through the Parish Register for information to create a list, or go to some of the sources at the top of the image. This is so much easier, just look the parish up, and there is the list. I recognise some of the names from the Marriage Certificates.
Why have I put this here? Well some of the Ancestry Trees have some of the Penny family being born at The Vicarage, Eling Hill, Eling, Hampshire. Which is the correct address for the vicarage of St Mary's, aka St Mary the Virgin Church.
It does not appear that the Penny family are the rector or vicar of the parish, but that does not make the information incorrect. They could be part of the domestic or gardening / farming team.
1772
George the Son of William & Ann Penny
George the Son of William & Ann Penny was baptised May vi. - 6th May 1772 baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
A Penny family found in Eling, just not the one looked for.
1776
Joseph & Mary Son & Daughter of James & Ann Peny
Joseph & Mary Son & Daughter of James & Ann Peny was baptised Novr iii - 3rd November 1776 baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
I believe Mary is the person I was looking for. She becomes John Mabey's wife.
I think Peny and Penny are the same families.
Eling Parish Register
1790
William Son of William and Mary Mabey
William Son of William & Mary Mabey [or Mobey] 20
20 Jan, 1790 William Son of William & Mary Mabey
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Marriage
Before we get into the registers ...
Marriage, a snippet of information
In 1780, the minimum legal age for marriage was 12 years for women and 14 years for men. It was also possible for the couple to get engaged at the age of 7, with the right to break off the engagement on reaching the minimum age of consent. However, early marriages were rather rare, and the average age of the newlyweds was about 25 years.
An extract from a Royal Historical Society article.
Nursling 1736 to 1797
Marriages in the Nursling Parish Register 1736 to 1797
William Maby to Anne Long
The marriages in this book from pencil page 42 to pencil page 48 seem to be abridged from the fuller book as ordered by Act of George II . S.C. Wilks Feb. 1854.
1760 Oct 29 William Maby to Ann Long
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| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | William Maby | ||||
| and | Anne Long | ||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 12 | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
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| William Maby of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
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| Anne Long Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
| 29 Oct 1760 |
John Grove is the witness to a number of these marriages which suggests that he may be a clerk or a churchwarden as opposed to a relative.
John Mathews to Mary Long
No entry in the Banns Register between 1762 and 1767 inclusive. Also records no 12 and 13 are blank.
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| John Mathews of the Parish of Rumsey [Romsey] | ||||||
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| Mary Long of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 28 Day of February in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Sixty three | by me | P. Smith | Curate of Eling. | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | John Mathew's Mark ----- | |||||
| Mary Long's Mark | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Charles Waunner | |||||
| William Maybe | ||||||
| 28 Feb 1763 |
Oh, for all writing to be as clear as the Curates! I would still transcribe the data even though it is not necessary to read it, but doing so makes it searchable.
Nathan Long to Mary Powel
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| Nathan Long of this Parish Widower | ||||||
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| Mary Powel Widow | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Licence this | Eleventh Day of Sepbr. in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty Eight | by me | Edmd Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Mark of \ Nathan Long | |||||
| Mark of + of Mary Powel | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Thomas Richards | |||||
| William Irvine | ||||||
| 11 Sept 1768 |
John Osman to Sarah Maybey
| 1784 | |||||
| No 33 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Oasman | ||||
| and | Sarah Maybe | both of this parish | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the seventeenth | day of | October | |
| On Sunday, | the twenty fourth | day of | October | by me S. J. Collins | |
| On Sunday, | the thirty first | day of | October 1784 | Curate |
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| No. 84 | ||||||
| John Osman of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
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| Sarah Maybey of the same, Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | second Day of November in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Eighty four | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | + the Mark of John Osman | |||||
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| In the Presence of | + the Mark of John Hicks | |||||
| Thos Richards | ||||||
| 2 Nov 1784 |
John Maybe to Mary Penny
Banns are from Nursling and therefore included here, as well as the Marriage recorded in Eling Parish Register and Bishops Transcripts. All kept together for clarity.
| 1794 | |||||
| No 54 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Maybe | of this parish | |||
| and | Mary Penny | of the parish of Eling | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 16th of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
| On Sunday, | the 23d of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate | |
| On Sunday, | the 2d of March | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
The Bride is from the Parish of Eling, so unsurprisingly, the marriage took place in Eling.
The first entry on this page, no. 408, is copied here just because John Mebey signed as a witness. The signature looks to be the same for his own wedding, so perhaps it has no other significance than he was presence for both weddings, on the third of March and could write.
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| No. 409 | ||||||
| John Mebey Batchelor of the Parish of Nursling | ||||||
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| Mary Penny of this parish Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | Third Day of March in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Four | by me | Charles Sloman | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | John Mebey | |||||
| Mark + of Mary Penny | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Philip Stride | |||||
| Thomas Bessant | ||||||
| 3 Mar 1794 |
The associated Bishop's Transcripts, also for Eling
John Goff to Mary Maybey
| 1796 | ||||||
| No. 124 | ||||||
| John Goff of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
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| Mary Maybey of this parish Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | Second Day of February in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Six | by me | S. J. Collins | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Mark x of John Goff | |||||
| Mark x of Mary Maybey | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Mebey | |||||
| Mark x of Sarah Osbourne | ||||||
| Thoms Richards | ||||||
| 2 Feb 1796 |
John Goff [or is this Goss]
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
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| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
| 29 Oct 1760 |
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Nursling 1798 to 1812
Marriages in the Nursling Parish Register 1798 to 1812
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| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
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Eling 1754 to 1783
Marriages in the Eling Parish Register 1754 to 1783
1758
Marriage of James Penny and Ann Eldridge
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| James Penny of the Parish of Lyndhurst | ||||||
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| Ann Eldridge of this Parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | thirteenth Day of April in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty eight | by me | Joseph Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between Us | C the Mark of James Penny | |||||
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| In the Presence of | O the Mark of Joseph Jones | |||||
| O the Mark of James Olding | ||||||
| 13 April 1758 |
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Eling 1784 to 1797
Eling 1798 to 1812
Marriages in the Eling Parish Register 1798 to 1812
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| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 12 | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
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1792
Richard Penny and Elizabeth Stanswood
| 1792 | ||||||
| No. 382 | ||||||
| Richard Penny of this Parish | ||||||
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| Elizabeth Stanswood both of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns thrice published this | eighth Day of November in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety two | by me | H Haivest | Minister | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Richard Penny | |||||
| x the Mark of Elizabeth Stanswooh | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Pike | |||||
| x the Mark Fanny Veale | ||||||
| 8 Nov 1792 |
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Burial
The Burying in Woollen Acts
I would note that within some Parish Registers, burials started to be annotated with the affidavit about being buried in wool. Below is an example of same, but for a different parish. There are similar annotations in this parish during the appropriate dates.
The Register of the Parish of the Church of Thorncombe.
One example of many.
The first, well actually the second page of the register is headed;
A Register of those that have been buried in Woollen according to ?? ??? Act of Parliament Thorncombe 1680.
The primary thing to note here is that the book is indeed in relation to Thorncombe and that there is no reference to it being any other form of church, so presumably the Established Church.
The other thing of particular interest was the 'buried in Woollen according to Act of Parliament.' I had not come across this before so had to look it up. Wikipedia quickly provided an answer.
The Burying in Woollen Acts 1666–80 w
ere Acts of the Parliament of England (Cha. II c. 4 (1666), Cha. II c. 3 (1678) and Cha. II c. 1 (1680) ) which required the dead, except plague victims and the destitute, to be buried in pure English woollen shrouds to the exclusion of any foreign textiles.
Enforcement
It was a requirement that an affidavit be sworn in front of a Justice of the Peace (usually by a relative of the deceased), confirming burial in wool, with the punishment of a £5 fee for noncompliance. Burial entries in parish registers were marked with the word "affidavit" or its equivalent to confirm that affidavit had been sworn; it would be marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen shroud.
The legislation was in force until 1814, but was generally ignored after 1770. The 1666 Act was repealed by the Statute Law Revision Act 1863.
The next interesting title page was at the beginning of the baptisms. It was a very smudged copy so I have tried to clean it up a little, without losing any of the original writing, however it is still difficult to decipher in the whole.
However, again it confirms that the book pertains to Thorncombe and seems to commence in 1663.
'A time to be born and a time to die' is one of the lines on the page.
It is difficult to make things out on the page, but it is nearly 4 centuries old. The Mayflower sailed to America in 1620 and the monarchy had been restored in 1660 with Charles II on the throne.
Turning to the next page of the scan, there are baptisms records, in Latin commencing in 15?? followed by 1552.
Nursling 1736 to 1797
Burials in the Nursling Parish Register 1736 to 1797
Before we get into the subject matter. Above is the record of the Rector of the Parish.
1776
Jany 20th The Revd Edmund Morris, Rector of the Parish, aged 58 years.
Nearly three years later his wife is buried.
Dec 25 Matha Widow of the Rev. Mr Edmund Morris late Rector of this Parish
Dec 25, 1778 Matha Widow of the Rev. Mr Edmund Morris late Rector of this Parish
Also on this page,
Feby 24 William Iwine Clerk of this Parish aged 50 . years
Feb 24, 1779 William Iwine Clerk of this Parish aged 50 . years
I can read this page but it is easier with the Bishops Transcription below.
June 4 Milly Maybe aged 7. drowned
4 June, 1782 Milly Maybe aged 7. drowned
Also on page;
Robert Cranmer Rector of Nursling
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Geo Hill } Churchwardens
The Churchwardens in 1782 were Thomas Figes and George Hill
1795
William Mayby
Burials, 1795
April 14 William Mayby aged 63 years
Form his stated age at burial it would suggest a birth of around 1732.
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Nursling 1798 to 1812
Eling A 1798 to 1812
Eling B 1798 to 1812
Wilts West Knoyle 1813 to 1991
1819
Ann Penny
Burials in the Parish of West Knoyle, Wiltshire - Ann Penny Abode, West Knoyle was buried Sepr 14th [1819] aged 81
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Other A 1798 to 1812
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Census
Unlike other tab structures in this article, the Census will be organised by year of Census not by Parish.
1841
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
1851
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
Description of Enumeration District, St Michaels Southampton
6a All that part of the parish of St Michael, Southampton which comprises Butcher Row (otherwise called West Street) Strugnell’s Passage, French Street, Brewhouse Lane, Churcher's Passage, Lenny's Passage, Hampton Court, St Michael's Square, Church Lane, Bugle Street, Vyse Lane and Wickham Court.
I have tried to play join the dots on the above map. Not entirely successfully as they are very good at hiding in the details of the map. However, even if approximate, it is easier to see the general extent of the parishes, from left to right, across the bottom of Southampton, St Michael or St Michael's, St John, and Holyrood. Boundary, at the time of the drawing of the map, marked in a blue line.
Below in part of the Key associated with this series of maps.
Part of the Key for Ordnance Survey old 25" maps - Boundaries
Charles Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | House Number | Given Name | Surname | Relationship | Age | Estimated Birth Year | Gender | Birth Place | Occupation | Combined Name |
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| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Charles | Penny | Head | 28 | 1823 | Male | Somerset, England | Cordwainer | Charles Penny |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Charlotte | Penny | Wife | 30 | 1821 | Female | Hampshire, England | Charlotte Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Harry | Penny | Son | 5 | 1846 | Male | Southampton | Harry Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Thomas | Penny | Son | 2 | 1849 | Male | Southampton | Thomas Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Mary Ann | Penny | Daughter | 6 Mo | 1850 | Female | Southampton | Mary Ann Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Maria | Bovier | 12 | 1839 | Female | Southampton | House Servant | Maria Bovier |
Note Maria Bovier at the end of the list, a twelve year old house servant.
Charles Penny is two years younger than his wife Charlotte Penny. He was born in Somerset and is a cordwainer.
A cordwainer is a shoemaker who makes new shoes from new leather. The cordwainer's trade can be contrasted with the cobbler's trade, according to a tradition in Britain that restricted cobblers to repairing shoes.
Another Charles Penny
Description of Enumeration District, Hamble le Rice, Hampshire
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | House Number | Given Name | Surname | Relationship | Age | Estimated Birth Year | Gender | Birth Place | Occupation | Combined Name |
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| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Charles | Penny | Head | 31 | 1820 | Male | Eling, Hampshire, England | Shoe Maker (Master) | Charles Penny |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Elizabeth | Penny | Wife | 27 | 1824 | Female | Southampton | Elizabeth Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Sarah E | Penny | Daughter | 5 | 1846 | Female | Hamble, Hampshire, England | Sarah E Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Charles R | Penny | Son | 2 | 1849 | Male | Hamble, Hampshire, England | Charles R Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | George F | Penny | Son | 1 | 1850 | Male | Hamble, Hampshire, England | George F Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Fredrick | Penny | Brother | 18 | 1833 | Male | Eling, Hampshire, England | Fredrick Penny |
1861
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
Description of Enumeration District, St Michaels Southampton
All that remaining part of the Parish of St Michael, Southampton comprising Coocke Lane, Westgate Street, Westgate Terrace, Auspack Place, West Quay, Blue Anchor Lane, Lock's Court, both sides of Simnel Street, Hunts Court, Pepper Alley and Courts, Dean's Court, Castle Court, Spearings Court, Silk Shop Yard, Landsdown Place, Castle Lane, Chesterfield Terrace and Court adjoining.
This enumerator, John Fletcher, has been very helpful and left a sketch map of the area he was to cover.
However, I have not yet been able to make out Cooke Lane.
The order given in the notes is not the same as the records, which presumably represent the walking route used by the enumerator.
Starting with Castle Lane.
Then;-
- Landsdown Place
- Castle Lane
- West Quay Tower
- Castle Lane
- Castle Court
- Castle Square
- Chesterfield Terrace
- Simnel Street
- Hunts Court
- Dean's Court
- Simnel Street, Queen Charlotte Inn.
- Simnel Street
- Silk Shop Yard
- Simnel Street
- Taylor's Court
- Simnell Street
- Locks Court
- West Quay
- West Gate House
- West Quay
- Collliers Court
- West Quay
- Blue Anchor Court
- Blue Anchor Lane
- Pepper Alley
- Whites Court
- Pepper Alley
- West Gate Tower
- West Gate Street
- Whites Court
- West Gate Street
- Royal Pier Toll House
- Coocks Lane
Then, perhaps, back to;-
- Simnel Street
- Pepper Alley
- Castle Court
Ending at Simnel Street.
From the above I would expect to find Coocks or Coocke Lane at the South, near the Royal Pier.
From the foregoing and the NLS Old OS Map 25" I assume that Coocks or Coocke Lane is Cuckoo Lane, which is near the Royal Pier at its southern end.
The 1851 Census address was 13a French Street. I have shaded French Street a light blue wash in the above map. I think 13a was about the same extent north as Westgate Street. About 3 minutes walk between French Street and the middle of Cuckoo Lane.
An 1846 OS map found on the City of Southampton's website. With Cuckoo Lane pinpointed.
Charles Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Est. Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | Ecclesiastical parish | Town |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Charles Penny | Male | 38 | Head | 1823 | Somerset, England | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Charlotte Penny | Female | 44 | Wife | 1817 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | >Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Henry Penny | Male | 17 | Son | 1844 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Thos Penny | Male | 11 | Son | 1850 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Ann Penny | Female | 8 | Daughter | 1853 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | George Penny | Male | 7 | Son | 1854 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Stephen Penny | Male | 6 | Son | 1855 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Julia Penny | Female | 3 | Daughter | 1858 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Charlotte Penny | Female | 1 | Daughter | 1860 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| Name | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED | Occupation | Compare Names | Compare Estimated Birth Year | Compare Where born | Compare Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Charles Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Shoemaker | TRUE | TRUE | TRUE | FALSE |
| Charlotte Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | TRUE | FALSE | FALSE | ||
| Henry Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | FALSE | FALSE | TRUE | ||
| Thos Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | FALSE | FALSE | TRUE | ||
| Ann Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| George Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| Stephen Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| Julia Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| Charlotte Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Compare with previous Census
There are more 'FALSE' in the compare section than I would normally like.
Charlotte Penny is now six years older than Charles Penny whereas previously it was two years between them.
Harry aged 5 has become Henry aged 17, expected to be 15.
Thomas aged 2 has lost a year, now aged 11, expected to be 12. However, this is an acceptable variation, as is the abbreviation of Thomas to Thos.
Mary Ann, aged 6 months, does not appear here. Perhaps she has died.
Charlotte Penny recorded a place of birth change from Hampshire to Southampton. However, this is just a change in the level of detail.
Occupation from cordwainer the shoemaker is just a change of term for the same thing.
On balance of probability, I think they are the same family, despite the differences from one census, to the next, ten years later.
There is a possibility that Charlotte Penny form 1815 died after having Harry, and Charles Penny re-married, to another Charlotte, on 3 Dec 1849. Some 3 to 5 years after Harry/Henry estimated birth year.
Not Charles Penny but John Penny
Building 111 spread over two pages.
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | James Fisher | Male | 40 | Head | 1821 | Bath | Southampton St Michael |
Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Fisher | Female | 26 | Wife | 1835 | Plymouth | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Emily Fisher | Female | 12 | Niece | 1849 | Plymouth | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Ann Riley | Female | 17 | Servant | 1844 | Manchester | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Fanny Norte | Female | 20 | Servant | 1841 | Bath | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Tobia Pickford | Female | 44 | Lodger | 1817 | Pangance | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Thos Parsons | Male | 44 | Lodger | 1817 | Dorset, England | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | John Penny | Male | 40 | Lodger | 1821 | Hampshire, England | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Penny | Female | 29 | Lodger | 1832 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Penny | Female | 9 | Lodger | 1852 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | John Penny | Male | 4 | Lodger | 1857 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Fredk Kotcher | Male | 18 | Lodger | 1843 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | James Langford | Male | 18 | Lodger | 1843 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Stephen Rulpit | Male | 30 | Lodger | 1831 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | George Savage | Male | 40 | Lodger | 1821 | Bristol | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Another Penny family, but this time in lodgings with a number of other families. As they are all listed as lodgers, it is not possible to definitively state the relationship within the family, but I assume it is John Penny, aged 40, with his wife Mary, aged 29, together with their two children, a girl and a boy, Mary 9, and John 4. John Penny is about the same age as Charles Penny, and is also a shoemaker.
George Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Gorge Penny | Male | 50 | Head | 1811 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Shoemaker |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Emma Penny | Female | 48 | Wife | 1813 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Julia Penny | Female | 14 | Daughter | 1847 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | George Penny | Male | 4 | Son | 1857 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Thos Penny | Male | 2 | Son | 1859 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Anna Penny | Female | 1 | Daughter | 1860 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Thomas Penny
| Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Thomas Penny | Male | 30 | Husband | 1831 | Cork, Ireland | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Labourer |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Hannah Penny | Female | 28 | Wife | 1833 | Cork, Ireland | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Margret Penny | Female | 5 | Daughter | 1856 | Reading | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Thomas Penny | Male | 3 | Son | 1858 | Guildford | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Henry Penny | Male | 7 mths | Son | 1860 | Kent, England | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
I think Thomas Penny is not associated with Charles Penny, as he and his wife were recorded as being born in Cork, Ireland
Rob Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | West Gate Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 134 | Rob Penny | Male | 36 | Head | 1825 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Pilot |
| 1861 | West Gate Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 134 | Willl Chee | Male | 53 | Lodger | 1808 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Painter |
| 1861 | West Gate Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 134 | Sarah Chee | Female | 54 | Lodger | 1807 | Cowes | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Rob Penny is listed as head of the family, but with no other family shown. Will and Sarah Chee are recorded as lodgers. Rob Penny is a Pilot, which considering the date of the Census, is a marine pilot.
James Cheatie, James Cheatie Penny, or James Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | James Cheatie | Male | 37 | Head | 1824 | Marchwood | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Pilot |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Ann Penny | Female | 32 | Wife | 1829 | Milton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Fredk Penny | Male | 11 | Son | 1850 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Edk Penny | Male | 9 | Son | 1852 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Susanna Penny | Female | 6 | Daughter | 1855 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Clara Penny | Female | 3 | Daughter | 1858 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Arthur Penny | Female | 01-Dec | Daughter | 1861 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Rebecca Johnson | Female | 17 | Visitor | 1844 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
James is also a pilot, as was Rob Penny. He lives in Cuckoo Lane, the same road as Charles Penny.
Old OS 25" Map of St Michael Parish with approximate locations of the above Penny families plotted.
It appears as quite a tight cluster of Penny families, some who may be related, or not. Our interest is Charles Penny, whose marker is in blue.
Looking in the Parish of St Mary's, Southampton
Edward Elliot Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | Town | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | 14 Melbourne Street | St Mary's | Southampton | 121 | Edward Elliott Penny | Male | 19 | Boarder | 1842 | Southampton, Hampshire, England | Southampton St Mary | Southampton | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 16 | Boiler Makers Assistant |
Southampton Workhouse - Mary Penny
Read about the Southampton Workhouse or Poor House at an external site.
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | Ecclesiastical parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Workhouse | St Mary's | Southampton | 1 | Mary Penny | Female | 60 | Pauper | 1801 | Lymington, Hampshire, England | Southampton St Mary | St Mary | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | Southampton Workhouse | Domestic Servant |
1871
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
Saint Michaels Parish (part of)
All the remaining part of St Michaels parish comprising Cuckoo Lane Westgate Street Westgate Terrace Amspack Place West Quay Blue Anchor Lane Locks Court Collis Court both Sides of Simnel Street Hunts Court Pepper Alley and Court Deers Court Castle Court Silk Shop Yard Landsdown Place Castle Lane Spearings Court, now Castle Buildings Chesterfield Terrace and Court adjoining Castle Gardens.
Now lets put some punctuation in to make it easier to read and understand.
All the remaining part of St Michaels parish comprising Cuckoo Lane, Westgate Street, Westgate Terrace, Amspack Place, West Quay, Blue Anchor Lane, Locks Court, Collis Court, both sides of Simnel Street, Hunts Court, Pepper Alley and Court, Deers Court, Castle Court, Silk Shop Yard, Landsdown Place, Castle Lane, Spearings Court, now Castle Buildings, Chesterfield Terrace, and Court adjoining Castle Gardens.
1881
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
After his death.
1891
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
After his death.
1901
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
After his death.
1911
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
After his death.
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Disbursements
Disbursements by the Parish
At he back of the Parish Register book 1736 to 1797, there are notes about disbursements made by the Parish.
Data Sheet
Data Sheet
Records, data, and general information about Edward and Mary Biddlecomb of Eling and their family
Husband and Wife
Birth
Baptism
Edward Son of ??? & ??? Biddlecomb
Mary Daughter of ??? & ??? Plaskett
Marriage
| 01 Jun 1759 | Eling | Edward Biddlecomb | and | Mary Plaskett |
Banns
Banns not found, Marriage by License.
| 1760 | |||||
| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | |||||
| and | |||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the | } | ??????? | by ??????? Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the | ) |
Extract of the Eling Parish Register
Marriage
| 1759 | ||||||
| No. 64 | ||||||
| Edward Biddlecomb of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Mary Plaskett Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | License this | First Day of June in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty nine | by me | Jos Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Edward Biddlecomb his Mark | |||||
| x the Mark of Mary Plaskett | ||||||
| In the Presence of | x the Mark of Arthur Plaskett. | |||||
| x the mark of Elizabeth Puskis | ||||||
| 1 Jun 1759 |
This marriage is recorded in my tree, and Edward is my 6th great-granduncle.
John Maybe to Mary Penny
| 1794 | |||||
| No 54 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Maybe | of this parish | |||
| and | Mary Penny | of the parish of Eling | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 16th of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
| On Sunday, | the 23d of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate | |
| On Sunday, | the 2d of March | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
The Bride is from the Parish of Eling, so unsurprisingly, the marriage took place in Eling.
The first entry on this page, no. 408, is copied here just because John Mebey signed as a witness. The signature looks to be the same for his own wedding, so perhaps it has no other significance than he was presence for both weddings, on the third of March and could write.
| 1794 | ||||||
| No. 409 | ||||||
| John Mebey Batchelor of the Parish of Nursling | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Mary Penny of this parish Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | Third Day of March in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Four | by me | Charles Sloman | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | John Mebey | |||||
| Mark + of Mary Penny | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Philip Stride | |||||
| Thomas Bessant | ||||||
| 3 Mar 1794 |
The associated Bishop's Transcripts, also for Eling.
Death
Burial
Census
Census and Voting Registers
UK Census dates from 1911Census.org;
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
1841
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
After his death.
1851
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
After his death.
1861
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
After his death.
1871
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
After his death.
1881
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
After his death.
1891
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
After his death.
1901
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
After his death.
1911
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
After his death.
Parents
Parents
William & Anne Mabey
His Father
William Mabey
Ancestry Synopsis
When William Mabey was born on 31 March 1734 in Eling, Hampshire, his father, William, was 29 and his mother, Elizabeth, was 26. He married Ann Long on 29 October 1760 in Nursling, Hampshire. They had 11 children in 21 years. He died on 14 April 1795 in Nursling, Hampshire, at the age of 61.
Baptism
William the Son of William Meabee
William the Son of William Maebee was Bapt. March xxxi. Baptised 31st March 1734 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
The blue dot is just to highlight the use of a capital M, in a word recognisable as Mary, for comparison with Maebee, which is much less certain.
Marriage
William Maby [Mabey] to Anne Long at St Boniface Church, Nursling Hampshire, on 29 October 1760.
One of only two weddings at that church, that year.
Extracts from the Nursling Parish Register.
The marriages in this book from pencil page 42 to pencil page 48 seem to be abridged from the fuller book as ordered by Act of George II . S.C. Wilks Feb. 1854.
1760 Oct 29 William Maby to Ann Long
| 1760 | |||||
| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | William Maby | ||||
| and | Anne Long | ||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 12 | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
| 1760 | ||||||
| No. 11 | ||||||
| William Maby of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Anne Long Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
| 29 Oct 1760 |
John Grove is the witness to a number of these marriages which suggests that he may be a clerk or a churchwarden as opposed to a relative.
2nd Marriage
Death
Assumed to be shortly before 14th April 1795.
Burial
Burials, 1795
April 14 William Mayby aged 63 years
His Mother
Anne Long
Ancestry Synopsis;
When Ann Long was born on 9 October 1741 in Nursling, Hampshire, her father, Nathaniel, was 31, and her mother, Rebecca, was 24. She married William Mabey on 29 October 1760 in her hometown. They had 11 children in 21 years. She died on 18 October 1821 in Nursling, Hampshire, having lived a long life of 80 years.
Baptism
Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long
Oct: 9. Ann, Daughr. of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long.
Oct: 9, 1741. Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long, Baptised at St Boniface Church, Nursling, Hampshire.
Marriage
William Maby [Mabey] to Anne Long at St Boniface Church, Nursling Hampshire, on 29 October 1760.
Extracts from the Nursling Parish Register. (The same as for William Mabey above)
The marriages in this book from pencil page 42 to pencil page 48 seem to be abridged from the fuller book as ordered by Act of George II . S.C. Wilks Feb. 1854.
1760 Oct 29 William Maby to Ann Long
| 1760 | |||||
| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | William Maby | ||||
| and | Anne Long | ||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 12 | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
| 1760 | ||||||
| No. 11 | ||||||
| William Maby of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Anne Long Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
| 29 Oct 1760 |
John Grove is the witness to a number of these marriages which suggests that he may be a clerk or a churchwarden as opposed to a relative.
Death
Assumed to be shortly before
Burial
Yet to be found
Her Father
1758
Marriage of James Penny and Ann Eldridge
| 1758 | ||||||
| No. 52 | ||||||
| James Penny of the Parish of Lyndhurst | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Ann Eldridge of this Parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | thirteenth Day of April in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty eight | by me | Joseph Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between Us | C the Mark of James Penny | |||||
|
O the Mark of Ann Eldridge |
||||||
| In the Presence of | O the Mark of Joseph Jones | |||||
| O the Mark of James Olding | ||||||
| 13 April 1758 |
Her Mother
Ann Eldridge
1738
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge was baptised October xxxi - 31st October 1738, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
1758
Marriage of James Penny and Ann Eldridge
| 1758 | ||||||
| No. 52 | ||||||
| James Penny of the Parish of Lyndhurst | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Ann Eldridge of this Parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | thirteenth Day of April in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty eight | by me | Joseph Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between Us | C the Mark of James Penny | |||||
|
O the Mark of Ann Eldridge |
||||||
| In the Presence of | O the Mark of Joseph Jones | |||||
| O the Mark of James Olding | ||||||
| 13 April 1758 |
1819
Ann Penny
Burials in the Parish of West Knoyle, Wiltshire - Ann Penny Abode, West Knoyle was buried Sepr 14th [1819] aged 81
Given the Baptism date, shown above in this section, of 31st October 1738 and the burial date of 14th September 1819, the duration between those dates is 80 years, 10 months, 14 days excluding the end date, which in the absence of Birth and Death dates, is therefore assumed to be close to an age calculation. About 11/2 months shy of the 81 years shown above. That, in my opinion, is close enough, not to create a red flag.
However, West Knoyle is a long way from Eling. In fact it is about 40 miles, which would be about 41/2 hours walking, from Eling Hill, where the vicarage is. The challenge therefore is to find out why she was there. Are her family still there in the 1841 census, for instance?
Children
Parents Children and Children
His Parents
Ann Mabey nee Long and William Mabey's children's Records.
Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found. They had 11 children in 21 years.
1760
No record yet found
1761 Martha (Sarah)
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Martha (Sarah) Mabey
1761–1784
Birth BEF. 1 AUG 1761 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 2 NOV 1784 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
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Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby
Aug 1 Martha D of Willm & Mary Maby
Aug 1, 1761 Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby
Maby is not Mabey but is similar.
William Mabey and Ann Long were married at St Boniface Church, Nursling, Hampshire on 29 October 1760. So 1st August 1761 is a respectable date of first born after marriage.
However, who is Mary? William married Ann, not Mary. Is Mary an alternative name for Ann, such as Mary Ann, or Ann Mary. Not according to the baptism record.
The record remains not validated.
Marriage
John Osman to Sarah Maybey
| 1784 | |||||
| No 33 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Oasman | ||||
| and | Sarah Maybe | both of this parish | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the seventeenth | day of | October | |
| On Sunday, | the twenty fourth | day of | October | by me S. J. Collins | |
| On Sunday, | the thirty first | day of | October 1784 | Curate |
| 1784 | ||||||
| No. 84 | ||||||
| John Osman of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Sarah Maybey of the same, Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | second Day of November in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Eighty four | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | + the Mark of John Osman | |||||
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+ the Mark of Sarah Maybey |
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| In the Presence of | + the Mark of John Hicks | |||||
| Thos Richards | ||||||
| 2 Nov 1784 |
Nice marriage details, including Banns, but there is something on a glaring problem here. The bride's name is Sarah Maybey, and it is not the spelling of the surname. On Ancestry, Sarah appears to be associated with Martha as one in the same person. However, I have yet to find definitive evidence as to why this association has been made, let alone that it is correct.
The record remains not validated.
I have started to build the tree branches under this couple in the hope of finding more information, including DNA traces which may prove the link. It may be a case that there are too many generations between any tester and the couple.
Death
Burial
1762 William
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
William Mabey
1762–1856
Birth 1762 • Hampshire, England
Death 29 APR 1856 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
No Prime data yet found
1763
No record yet found
1764 Susan
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Susan Mabey
1764–1764
Birth 17 JAN 1764 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 10 MAR 1764 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby
May 4 Susan. D. of Willm & Anne Maby
May 4, 1764 Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby
Again, Maby is not Mabey but is similar.
At least the parents are the expected William and Ann.
1765
1766
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1767
No record yet found
1768 Joseph
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Joseph Mabey
1768–1856
Birth 1768 • Eling, Hampshire, England
Death 1856 • Romsey, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey
Sep 12 Joseph. S, of Willm. & Anne Mabey
Sep 12, 1768, Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey.
1769
No record yet found
1770
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1771 John
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
John Mabey
1771–1856
Birth BEF. 17 JAN 1771 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 24 APR 1856 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
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Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
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John Son of William & Anne Mabey
Jan 17 Jno S of William & Anne Mabey
Jan 17, 1771 John Son of William & Anne Mabey
1772
No record yet found
1773 Richard
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Richard Mabey
1773–1835
Birth BEF. 31 MAY 1773 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 28 JAN 1835 • Romsey, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
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Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
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Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey
May 31 Richd S. of Wm & Anne Mabey
May 31, 1773 Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey
1774
No record yet found
1775 Milly
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Milly Mabey
1775–1782
Birth BEF. 30 AUG 1775 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death BEF. 4 JUN 1782 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
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Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Milly Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Aug 30 Milly, D. of Willm & Ann Mabey
Aug 30, 1775 Milly Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
1776
No record yet found
1777
No record yet found
1778 Mary
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Mary Mabey
1778–1800
Birth BEF. 15 FEB 1778 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 1800 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
Feb 15 Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
Feb 15, 1778 Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
1779
No record yet found
1780 Susan
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Susan Mabey
1780–
Birth BEF. 17 SEP 1780 • Nursling, Hampshire, , England,
Death Unknown
From Discovery above
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Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
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Susan Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Sep 17 Susan, D. of William & Ann Mabey
Sep 17, 1780 Susan Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Second use of the name Susan in this family, which implies the first Susan died before this year.
1781 Charlotte
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Charlotte Mabey
1781–
Birth 1781 • Hampshire, England
Death Unknown
From Discovery above
No Prime data yet found
1782 Elizabeth
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Elizabeth Mabey
1782–1843
Birth BEF. 17 NOV 1782 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death ABT. 1843
From Discovery above
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Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
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Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Novr 17. Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Nov 17, 1782 Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Note surname written as Maybe not Mabey. Assumed to be the same family.
Another copy within the same Register, fortunately with the same information.
1783
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1784
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1785
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Her Parents
Ann Penny nee Eldridge and James Penny's children's Records.
Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found. They had ?????? children in ???????? years.
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1758
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1759 John
John Penny
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1760
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1761
No record yet found
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1762
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1763
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1764 Richard
Richard Penny
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1765
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1766
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1767
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1768 Ann
Ann Penny
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1769
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1770
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1771
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1772
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1773
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1774
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1775
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1776 Joseph and Mary
Joseph Penny
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Mary Penny
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1777
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1778
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1779
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1780
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1781
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1782
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1783
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1784
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1785
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Mary Mabey nee Penny and John Mabey children's Baptism Records.
Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found.
1795 John
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1796
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1797 George
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1797
George Son of John & Mary Maybey
April 23 George S. of John & Mary Maybey
Apr 23, 1797 George Son of John & Mary Maybey
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1798
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1799 William
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1800
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1801
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1802
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1803
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1804
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1805
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1806
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1807
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1808
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1809
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1810
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1811
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1812
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1813
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1814
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1815
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1816
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Work and locations
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No information about his work yet.
Hampshire
The county of Hampshire, sometimes known as Southamptonshire
County map of Parishes - Hampshire
Extract from Great Britain, Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, from Ancestry
Same map but in more detail
The same map but zoomed in and split into four parts for ease of use.
There is a vertical overlap on each segment to try to avoid the difficulty of interpreting the information, reading at the joints.
At one time this was done with mouse rollover, but that no longer consistently works on all browsers, so back to static.
Somerset
The county of Somerset
Greenwood Atlas Somerset
County map of Parishes - Somerset
Extract from Great Britain, Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, from Ancestry
The same map but zoomed in and split into three parts for ease of use.
There is a vertical overlap on each segment to try to avoid the difficulty of interpreting the information, reading at the joints.
Rockbourne
Parish of Rockbourne Hampshire
Rochesburna (xi cent.); Rechesburna, Rochesburna (xii cent.); Rokeburn (xiii cent.); Rogborne (xvii cent.). Rockbourne contains about 3,923½ acres, of which 2,029 acres are arable land, 1,039½ acres permanent grass and 302¼ acres woods and plantations. (fn. 1) Rockbourne Down, in the north-west of the parish, and Knoll Down, which extends over the borders of Damerham, are in some places over 300 ft. high. The lowest part of the parish is along the banks of the little stream known as Sweatfords Water, which rises in Rockbourne Down and flows straight through the village by the side of the main street. The soil is sand, clay, gravel and chalk on a subsoil of chalk.
NLS OS 1" Hills Old Map Rockbourne Hampshire
I have added annotation to the map regarding the towns of Salisbury, Winchester, and Southampton, to aid visual location finding.
Rockbourne is approximately three miles NNW of Fordingbridge in the New Forest.
NLS OS 25" Old Map Rockbourne Hampshire - Hampshire and Isle of Wight LIV.10 Revised: 1908, Published: 1909
NLS OS 25" Old Map Manor Farm Rockbourne Hampshire - Hampshire and Isle of Wight LIV.10 Revised: 1908, Published: 1909
It appears that there was a Monastery at Rockbourne at one time. The rectory seems to be as big as the St. Andrew's Church, so presumably there was a good living to be had by the Rector in this very rural community.
Sweatfords Water flows through Rockbourne village, broadly in line with the main road. It is a tributary of the River Avon, which it joins at Fordingbridge.
A little South of Rockbourne village lies West Park country house. Unfortunately, the house was demolished in 1948 following damage sustained during WWII. Further information about the estate can be seen on Hampshire County Council site. According to British History Online, West Park was the property of Sir Eyre Coote. The park extends into South Damerham parish.
The village consists chiefly of one street almost half a mile long. The church is in the north-east of the main street Close to the church, adjoining the north side of the churchyard, is a very interesting group of buildings, consisting of a small L-shaped 14th-century house, now used as part of a modern farm-house, the remains of a large Elizabethan or Jacobean house a short distance to the east, a 13th-century chapel near its south-east angle, and a large 15th-century barn running northward from the chapel. The barn has two large waggon-porches, and at the north end has been divided into two stories for use as living rooms; the chapel is now used as a barn, and its most interesting feature is a north doorway with a cinquefoiled head. The buildings are doubtless manorial, the story of the existence of a leper hospital on the site being quite unfounded.
There is evidence of Roman occupation in the area, and Rockbourne was mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086.
Rockbourne
Land of King William
Households
Households: 4 villagers. 20 smallholders.
Land and resources
Ploughland: 2 lord's plough teams. 3 men's plough teams.
Other resources: Meadow 3 acres.
Owners
Tenant-in-chief in 1086: King William.
Lord in 1086: King William.
Lord in 1066: King Edward.
Eling overview
Eling Overview
Eling Hampshire
Eling a small village and town, as well as a large parish on the banks of the River Test opposite Southampton, and adjacent to the New Forest, in the county of Hampshire, sometimes known as Southamptonshire, or County of Southampton.
Bronze Age 1500BC
A Bronze Age Settlement to the North of the Town was discovered when the Testwood Lakes were excavated. A jetty, bridge and dagger were all found dating from that period.
The town has a history back to before Bronze Age times. It is thought the name Eling probably derives from Edlas’s people, or Edlingas as it appeared in the Domesday Book.
Domesday Book 1066-1086
Eling was a settlement in Domesday Book, in the hundred of Redbridge and the county of Hampshire.
It had a recorded population of 69 households in 1086, putting it in the largest 20% of settlements recorded in Domesday.
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Land of King William
Land of King WilliamHouseholds
- Households: 13 villagers. 43 smallholders. 13 slaves.
Land and resources
- Ploughland: 20 ploughlands. 5 lord's plough teams. 7 men's plough teams.
- Other resources: Meadow 125 acres. Woodland 20 swine render;in Forest. 2 mills, value 1 pound 5 shillings. 1 fishery. 1 salthouse. 1 church. 0.5 church lands.
Valuation
- Annual value to lord: 20 pounds in 1086; 38 pounds 8 shillings and 2 pence when acquired by the 1086 owner; 38 pounds 8 shillings and 2 pence in 1066.
Owners
- Tenant-in-chief in 1086: King William.
- Lord in 1086: King William.
- Lord in 1066: King Edward.
Other information
- Partially waste in 1086.
- Phillimore reference: Hampshire 1,27
Hampshire Parishes - Eling Parish 1537
Original data;
Smith, Cecil R. Humphery. The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers. Digitized images. Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies, Canterbury, Kent, England. From Ancestry
County map of Parishes - Hampshire
Extract from Great Britain, Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, from Ancestry
Same map but in more detail
The same map but zoomed in and split into four parts for ease of use.
There is a vertical overlap on each segment to try to avoid the difficulty of interpreting the information, reading at the joints.
At one time this was done with mouse rollover, but that no longer consistently works on all browsers, so back to static.
The above map is an extract of the The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers for Hampshire. Of particular interest, the Parishes of Eling - 1537, Southampton, Hound 1660, and South Stonham 1663.
Southampton contains the following parishes;
- All Saints - 1650
- Holy Rood - 1653
- SS, Lawrence and John, sometimes written as St Lawrence and St John - 1754
- St Mary - 1675
- St Mary Extra - 1671 (Other side of the River Itchen)
- St Michael - 1552
- Southampton Common, marked as M, extra-parochial.
The dates are not when the parishes were formed but as it states by the County Title, the dates of the commencement of Registers of Parishes formed before 1832.
I think that may be expanded to dates of registers still in existence.
Old Hampshire Maps
The website for Old Hampshire Maps and Other Historic Resources is a most excellent source of information which I often refer to.
I normally click on the top left icon, Old Hampshire Mapped, but believe that the one next to it on the right is more extensive and gets to the same maps and more.
This section could be called an indulgence to my lifelong fascination with maps and travel. Maps can tell you so much more than just how to get from A to B. Maps over time add to so much more.
Generally, the maps refer to Eling the settlement as opposed to the much larger parish. Something in the history must have given Eling some significance.
Saxton 1575
Saxton's map of Hampshire 1575
Extract from the Old Hampshire Mapped website about Saxton's map.
Map, hand coloured copper plate engraving, Southamtoniae, ie Hampshire, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, engraved by Leonard Terwoort, Antwerp, Netherlands, published by Christopher Saxton, map maker, London? about 1575.
Published in the Atlas of England and Wales; it was usually issued in hand coloured form; measurements and notes made in the field were worked up later, with the help of earlier manuscript maps if available; Saxton almost certainly used the rudimentary triangulation techniques first described by the cartographer Frisius, Belgium, 1533.
Hills are drawn in profile to provide a general impression of the local topography, while named settlements are shown by a variety of symbols including a church with tower; rivers, coastline, some bridges, deer parks and woods are all included; the most obvious omission on Saxton's maps, to our eyes, are roads, which were not included on general county maps until the 1690s.
The map '... provides us with our first english example of accurate cartography': Colonel Close: 1930:: Hampshire Field Club.
Saxton's county maps were engraved by Ryther, Hogenberg, Reynolds, Terwoort and Scatter.
Direct link to Eling.(Settlement)
The ancient settlement of Eling circled in blue, to help locate it.
Zoomed in some more on the same map. Showing from the New Forest, Eling, Southampton, across to the Hamble.
Norden 1595
Norden's Hampshire 1595
A map of Hampshire, including the Hundreds of the time. Remembering that a Hundred was an administrative area, part of and smaller than a County, and bigger than, and containing multiple Parishes.
The origin of the division of counties into hundreds is described by the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) as "exceedingly obscure". It may once have referred to an area of 100 hides; in early Anglo-Saxon England a hide was the amount of land farmed by and required to support a peasant family, but by the eleventh century in many areas it supported four families. Alternatively the hundred may have been an area originally settled by one "hundred" men at arms, or the area liable to provide one "hundred" men under arms.
Either way, a huge area of land for such a small population.
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Details
Details
Eling is within the Hundred of Redbridge. Indicated on this map as 21. Fortunately, some of the hundreds have boundaries marked in red on this copy of the map, and 21 is one of them.
From this map it appears that the Hundred of Redbridge, at the time, extended North as far as Romsey, with its town and Abbey, including the Broadlands Estate, and South just past Elinge, on level with Lyndhurst. Note the spelling of Eling with an e at the end.
According to the Key or 'Explanation of the Map' the icon attributed to Elinge appears to be that of a Parish. This map is dated from 1595 and from elsewhere Parish Records commenced in 1537, which obviously predates the map.
Taylor's Hampshire 1759
Taylor's Hampshire 1759 - Section 33.
Circled in green, Grove Place, in Nursling, is not part of this story, but does get a mention elsewhere on this site. Eling, the settlement, circled in blue, is the centre of attention. Eling the parish, takes up a large portion of the map, and the Hundred of Redbridge takes up even more. Extending to Romsey
Copped Thorn Common and Copped Thorn are circled in red, and turn up later in our story, under a slightly changed name.
I will have to look up house 440 at Poltons. It is interesting that Great Testwood carries the same number. Poltons is now known as Paultons Park - Home of Peppa Pig World. How things change.
The estate can be traced back to 1086 where the ‘Paulet’ manor was in the possession of Glastonbury Abbey. The house became derelict and burned down in a great fire on 5 November 1963. Click the link to read about the Estate's History.
The above only looks at Section 33 of Taylor's Map of Hampshire. If you want to look at the whole map, which is very decorated, follow the link to the article Taylor's Map of Hampshire 1759 which opens in a new window.
Eling Parish Split in three 1837-1846
Ancient Parish of Eling
The Parish of Eling was divided, which is understandable, as it was a huge area, and would have had a growing population. Initially into, South to North, Marchwood, (1846), Ealing (Ancient) and North Eling (1837), .
The maps are from FamilySearch.
North Eling, blue wash, Eling, mouve, Marchwood, yellow.
Eling - re-sized
First the map with the revised size Eling parish as 1 and the newly formed North Eling as 2. Marchwood is also formed from the Ancient Parish of Ealing.
Eling is an Ancient Parish in the county of Hampshire
Other places include: Wigley, Wade, Testwood, Tatchbury, South Eling, Rumbridge, Ower, Lopperwood, Langley, Lamb's Corner, Ironshill Walk, Ipley Farm, Durley, Denny Lodge Walk, Colebury, Castle Malwood Walk, Beechwood, Bauldoxfee, Bistern and Bartley, Bartley Regis, Ashurst Walk, and Ashurst Lodge and Grounds.
Parish records begin in 1537 and Bishops Transcripts 1701.
Non-Church of England denominations identified in Eling include: Independent/Congregational and Wesleyan Methodist.
I have transcribed the image, which is clearly legible sat here, mainly to provide searchable text, but hopefully also to provide the information irrespective of the devise used to view this article.
North Eling
North Eling is an Ecclesiastical Parish in the county of Hampshire, created in 1837 from Eling Ancient Parish.
Parish records begin in 1834 and Bishops Transcripts 1838. Interesting that the Parish records commence before the creation of the parish. No non-Church of England denominations have been identified for North Eling.
Jurisdictions;
- Place; North Eling
- County; Hampshire
- Civil Registration District; New Forest
- Probate Court; Courts of the Bishop (Episcopal Consistory) and Archdeaconry of Winchester.
- Diocese; Winchester
- Rural Deanery; Southampton
- Poor Law Union; New Forest
- Hundred; Redbridge
- Province; Canterbury
All the Jurisdictions apart from the place are the same for all three parishes.
Marchwood
Nine years after the division of the Ancient Parish of Eling to create North Eling, a further split to create the Parish of Marchwood.
Marchwood is an Ecclesiastical Parish in the county of Hampshire, created in 1846 from chapelry in Ealing Ancient Parish.
Other places in the parish include: Decoy Pond.
Parish records begin in 1843 and Bishops Transcripts 1843. Interesting that the Parish records commence before the creation of the parish.
Independent/Congregational is the only identified non-Church of England denomination in Marchwood.
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The Vicarage Eling
The Vicarage, Eling Hill, Eling, Hampshire, England.
The vicarage, Eling Hill is a recuring address for some Penny and Eldridge families, according to some other peoples Trees.
The vicarage of St Mary's aka St Mary the Virgin church is adjacent to the marker on the above map.
Although, on these OS 25" Maps, there is another Vicarage slightly further along Eling Hill, opposite Elinghill Farm.
Andover - old
Andover
Andover is an Ancient Parish and a market town in the county of Hampshire. Foxcott is a chapelry of Andover.
Other places in the parish include: King’s Enham, Hatherden, Enham Kings, Charlton, Woodhouse, Wildhern, Swanhill, Smannell, and Little London.
Alternative names: Andover With Foxcott
Parish church:
Parish registers begin:
Parish registers: 1587
Bishop’s Transcripts: 1703
Nonconformists include: Baptist, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Independent/Congregational, Particular Baptist, Primitive Methodist, Society of Friends/Quaker, and Wesleyan Methodist.
Jumping back in time to closer to that of Abraham Hurst, Taylor's Map of Hampshire 1759.
Milne's Map of Hampshire 1791, Andover and surrounding area.
Jumping forward out of the period of Abraham Hurst, which ended in 1777, above is an OS Original Series Map at about 1817. A little more detail, but not a huge change in the size of Andover.
The Greenwood 1826 Map of Hampshire, Andover and area, included here just to complete the set of Old Maps of Hampshire with a scale of approximately one Inch. Perhaps a little clearer as it is in colour.
Click on any of the above maps to view them at source, Old Hampshire Mapped. There are a lot more maps to see there.
Broughton and Houghton
Broughton is 10 to 11 miles, about 4hrs walking, away from Andover depending on which route taken, and is less than 3 miles from Houghton, only 1 hour walking. Unfortunately Google Maps does not yet have an option for riding a horse or horse and carriage, but somewhat quicker that walking
Houghton is around 10 miles, slightly less than 4hrs walking, away from Andover depending on which route taken.
The Parishes of Broughton and Houghton are both small and adjacent to one another.
The above is a screenshot of the current ESRI Church of England (CoE) Parish Map, centred on Broughton. On the live map there is a lot of statistical information about the Parish in the current time. Click on the image to go to the live map. The web address is to this image,but it may automatically redirect you London. If this is the case search for Broughton, Test Valley, Hampshire, England, GBR or Houghton, Test Valley, Hampshire, England, GBR
Not very relevant to the issue at hand, in the mid 1700's but interesting.
Still not the 1700's but a very much closer representation in Old OS maps.
A National Library of Scotland Georeferenced tiled Map with both Broughton and Houghton, both circled in blue, showing their relative positions. Just two miles as the crow flies. That is just the villages though as the parishes abut residences on either side of the parish boundary could be even closer.
An image of an Old OS Sheet map showing the village of Broughton, beside Wallop Brook, a tributary of the River Test.
An image of an Old OS map showing the village of Houghton and the River Test, on its way to Romsey, Millbrook, and Southampton.
An image of an Old OS map showing a closer view of the centre of the village of Broughton and the Parish Church of St. Mary's.
An image of an Old OS Sheet map showing a closer view of the centre of the village of Houghton and the Parish Church of All Saints'
Pittleworth, Bossington
Pittleworth is a farm and manor in a Parish South of Houghton called Bossington
Buckholt, Broughton
Buckholt Farm and Buckholt, Broughton, Hampshire
The entry for the baptism of Sarah Hurst 1781 referred to Abraham and Sarah Hurst of Buckholt. Sometimes that would refer to a place and other-times a Farm. There are not a lot of building in the area of Buckholt and no apparent hamlet or village so it could easily be referring to Buckholt Farm.
Conclusion
Conclusion
Key data about John Mabey and his family.
Dates
Key Dates
| Name | Birth | Baptism | Marriage | Death | Interval between children | Mothers age at birth |
| John Mabey | 17th January 1771 | 3rd March 1794 | (Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d) | |||
| Mary Penny | 3rd March 1794 | |||||
| (Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d) | 27 years, 9 months, 26 days | |||||
| 1 year, 1 month, 7 days | 28 years, 11 months, 1 day | |||||
Data Sources / Evidence
Key Data Sources / Evidence
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| John Mabey | X | Charwoman | |||||||||||
| Mary Penny | X | -- | -- | -- | Carman | ||||||||
| X | X | X | -- | -- | |||||||||
| -- | -- | Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer | |||||||||||
| -- | -- | Farrier, Fish Monger | |||||||||||
| -- | -- | Seaman, Dock labourer | |||||||||||
| -- | -- | Charwoman | |||||||||||
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Places of Interest
Places of Interest
| Place | Event | Date | Note |
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| Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex | Marriage | ||
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| Baptism of | 13th February 1870 | ||
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| Death |
Tree
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1762 William |
1764 Susan |
1768 Joseph |
1771 John |
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1775 Milly |
1778 Mary |
1780 Susan |
1781 Charlotte |
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Another family another article.
Edward Biddlecomb Edward Biddlecombe
Starting relationship; 6th great-granduncle
Starting Ancestry Synopsis; When Edward Biddlecombe was born in 1734 in Eling, Hampshire, his father, Mr. Biddlecombe, was 49. He married Mary Plasket on 1 June 1759 in his hometown. They had four children during their marriage. He died in 1814 in Landford, Wiltshire, having lived a long life of 80 years, and was buried there.
Do not read below yet! Not completed from copy template
There are three particular peoples trees that I have been interested in as they all have living people with a common ancestor. ???
In no way do I intend to be derogatory to any of these people or the work that they have done on their trees. The above people link through to one of my ancestors;- ???
This will attempt to add some clarity regarding his family. Watch the story develop in 'Discovery'
Help Notes. The expectation is that people reading this will use it in different ways. Some will just jump to the conclusion, whilst some others will want more information and go to the datasheet. A very few may read cover to cover, which I hope you will find interesting and informative. Especially the surprise revelation in Discovery - Other - The Camp.
Approx ??? words, estimated reading time ?? minutes for the words and ?? minutes for the images. Charles Penny ASurname : Penny or Penney
Potential parents Introduction - ExplanationDiscoveryI have decided to split the information about this person into two main sections. The first is discovery. Generally the first discovery is from Ancestry Trees and Hints. For the avoidance of repetition, I will not repeat that in the Discovery section for each person. Sometimes the lead maybe from MyHeritage, or other similar genealogy sites. Where that is the case, I will state so. Another lead could be DNA, including Ancestry's ThroughLines, again to be stated. However, the main point of the discovery section is to create something of a story for the person and his or her life. A brief synopsis, sometimes over and above that created by Ancestry's AI. Data SheetThe next part is the Data Sheet. Designed to be the collection of all the records, and information found about the person. It can include records already shown in the Discovery Section, for completeness of the Data Sheet. However, although the template is structured for lots of possible information, I am sure that there will be times when there will be many gaps, which will be left so, just in case more information comes to light at a later time. StructureThe structure of the family website is multifaceted. It depends of where you come into the site as to how transparent this is. The most simple page is that of a single person. More complicated is a single family, where there is a father and the articles within for associated people such as wife and children. The next level is multi-generation built around a hub, Articles within articles, generation after generation. With time it slowly grows. Each person within the growing mass, has a single focused article with a similar structure. This method, I think, gives structure to the reader, and to me. This itself is a snippet which is frequently repeated, and not therefore specific.
Transcription of records is generally shown in this colour.
About the Parish of Eling
About the Parish of Eling
This was the location for an introduction to the Parish of Eling. I like to have the context of the place that I am researching. However, that would just be a repetition of the Article Biddlecombe families of Eling More detail about specific family locations may be found in Work and Locations.
Discovery
DiscoveryThis is the research hub. A record of the information I have found, or sometimes not found, whist digging around in the past to find out about this family. It could be called Research and Discovery, but the section mainly only records the discoveries made, hence the name. The first part is very easy, outlining the seed or inspiration for this article, together with using Ancestry to provide some information about the Surname, Biddlecombe. There is also a brief history of why we are lucky enough to have parish records today to delve into. The next section is also, relatively easy, where I try to establish the initial parameters for the research. Of course, there will be rabbit holes which will need to be jumped in on the way, but that is only natural. Going down the rabbit whole is part of the frustration, and part of the fun. The parish registers next, the serious, and very time consuming section. I do a page turn of the Register images looking for any entries with the surname Biddlecombe or Plaskett, as well as variations of those surnames. This is part of the process of trying to establish Edward and Mary Biddlecomb's family. By seeing families in the Baptism Register can help eliminate alternative options for residents in Eling, Hampshire, but only those of the Church of England. Dissident registers are held elsewhere. I start with baptisms, but obliviously this method excludes families without children, but we know Edward and Mary had children because of the Ancestry Family tree, we just need to verify that. It also does not take into account other variables such as change of location. This has only been one pass so I might have missed a Biddlecombe or Plaskett entry. Although page turning the registry is slow, time consuming laborious work, it can bring forth revelations not possible by just searching the datasets of the transcriptions. In amongst such records, I found a missing baptism, with from what I could decipher was the surname Biddelcomb. The writing of that had a distinctive shape. When again searching for that shape, I found additional records which had been transcribed, and entered into the dataset, but with different surnames. Looking at the information in isolation, I can fully understand the reasons why the transcription was as it was, but by the shapes, they were possibly, probably the same family. Continue with Marriages, and Burials
The Spelling of SurnamesIt is commonly accepted that for the printed word, the spelling system became standardised by the end of the seventeenth century. Powerful influences had been the introduction of the printing press (with spelling conventions set by the printers) and the publication of dictionaries. This standardisation was not echoed in the recording of surnames. Famously, Shakespeare had 5 other variants of his name, in his lifetime. Indeed, standardisation did not arrive until the advent of mass literacy in the twentieth century.
With more names discovered, search for other sources, such as military and criminal records, wills, and newspapers. The final part is to copy the relevant findings into the Data Sheet.
Seed
The seed for this research and discovery starts with the core data from Hampshire Genealogical Society (HGS), and his entry on my Family Tree in AncestryFrom the investigation into Biddlecombe families of the Parish of Eling, Hampshire, it is established that Edward Biddlecom maried Mary Plaskett. The task here is to try and resolve the family and find other relatives. and where those fit in the tree. The search of information may be quite wide, with the result, hopefully, that the research could be useful to other people.
The information will be recorded below, and in Ancestry and my TNG database for this family.
This discovery will explore his parents, siblings, and children, as well as himself and his wife.
Biddlecome SurnameWhy do we have Parish Records.Why do we have Parish Records
Act for the Keeping of Parish Registers 1538As family historians we own a debt of gratitude to Thomas Cromwell, Lord Privy Seal to Henry VIII and Chief Secretary to the King, for the creation of this act in Henry VIII's 29th year of reign. Without it and the subsequent similar act from Queen Elizabeth in 1558, we would not have such extensive records to assist us in our hobbies or professions. A good précis of the history is found at Family Search, 'History of Parish Registers in England', reproduced in part below. Medieval - In medieval times there were no parish registers. For some years before the Reformation, monastic houses (especially the smaller ones) the parish priest had been developing the custom of noting in an album or on the margins of the service books, the births and deaths of the leading local families. 1538 - Through the efforts of Thomas Cromwell a mandate was issued by Henry VIII to keep parish registers. This order that every parson, vicar or curate was to enter in a book every wedding, christening and burial in his parish. The parish was to provide a sure coffer with two locks, the parson having the custody of one key, the wardens the others. The entries were to be made each Sunday after the service in the presence of one of the wardens. The mandate was enforced under a penalty of 3 sols, 4 deniers for the repair' of the church. These entries were made on paper, sometimes upon loose sheets. The bishop in their visitations were to see that the names of sponsors were duly entered in the registers of baptism. The parishioners penalty was divided between the poor box and repairs for the church. 1558 - Queen Elizabeth passed another law that was a duplicate of her father's . Many more registers began at this date. Many of these very early records are hard to read plus being written in Latin and are often very sparse - giving only the fathers name at a Christening and only the persons name in a burial entry. The registers were the property of the incumbent minister and each parish was required to maintain a chest in the parish church for the safe keeping of the same. In time other records were kept in the chest such as poor law records, which were actually the civil parish records. Other records kept in the chest were removal orders, bastardy bonds, overseers of the poor accounts, Tithe award and Maps, Enclosure Awards and Maps, Church Wardens Accounts, etc. 1597 - Registers were to be made of parchment instead of paper, and annual reports of all parish register entries were required to be sent to the appropriate bishop, called Church of England Parish Registers (BT). No doubt the reason we have gaps in some of the early parish registers or they do not exist at all, is that the paper had disintegrated and were not available. In some areas earlier registers were destroyed at this time and some were recopied on parchment. Some ministers made copies for the Bishop as entries were made in the register, some waited until the end of the year to make these copies. Some entries could have been missed. Most often the original parish entry is more complete. 1598 - The entries that were made on paper, sometimes upon loose sheets, and sixty years later these registers were ordered to be copied upon parchment in books, so that the registers which still survive dating back to 1538-1539 (perhaps about 1400 to 1500 in number). Therefore, any parish which survived this date are rarely the original entries. Some of the earliest paper registers had disappeared even before the transcription was ordered. 1731: 4 George 2 c.26: Proceedings in Courts of Justice Act 1731: 4 George 2 c.26: An act that all proceedings in courts of justice within that part of Great Britain called England, and in the court of exchequer in Scotland, shall be in the English language. [This extended to Wales by 6 Geo. 2. c.14.] [After 25 March 1733, all proceedings in courts in England, or exchequer in Scotland, to be in English, and in words at length. 6 Geo. 2. c. 6.] That from and after the twenty-fifth day of March one thousand seven hundred and thirty-three, all writs, process and returns thereof, and proceedings thereon, and all pleadings, rules, orders, indictments, informations, inquisitions, preferments, verdicts, prohibitions, certificates, and all patents, charters, pardons, commissions, records, judgments, statutes, recognizances, bonds, rolls, entries, fines and recoveries, and all proceedings relating thereunto, and all proceedings of courts leet, courts baron and customary courts, and all copies thereof, and all proceedings whatsoever in any courts of justice within that part of Great Britain called England, and in the court of exchequer in Scotland, and which concern the law and administration of justice, shall be in the English tongue and language only, and not in Latin or French, or any other tongue or language whatsoever, and shall be written in such a common legible hand and character, as the acts of parliament are usually ingrossed in, and the lines and words of the same to be written at least as close as the said acts usually are, and not in any hand commonly called court hand, and in words at length and not abbreviated; any law, custom or usage heretofore to the contrary thereof notwithstanding: This Act is referred to in S.C. Wilks notes the Nursling Register, but may be incorrectly referenced. However, English was used in the Parish Registers form this date. 1752 - The Gregorian Calendar was adopted and the first day of the year was changed from March 25th (Ladyday) to January 1st. Up to 1752 use double dating between Jan.1st to Mar. 25th. 1753: 26 George 2 c.33: An Act for the Better Preventing of Clandestine Marriage. Whereas great Mischiefs and Inconveniencies have arisen from Clandestine Marriages; for preventing thereof for the future, Be it enabled by the King’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the Authority of the same, That from and after the twenty-fifth Day of March in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and fifty-four, all Banns of Matrimony shall be published in an audible manner in the Parish Church, or in some publick Chapel, in which publick Chapel Banns of Matrimony have been usually published, of or belonging to such Parish or Chapelry wherein the Persons to be married shall dwell, according to the Form of Words prescribed by the Rubrick prefixed to the Office of Matrimony in the Book of Common Prayer, upon three Sundays preceding the Solemnization of Marriage, during the Time of Morning Service, or of Evening Service (if there be no Morning Service in such Church or Chapel upon any of those Sundays) immediately after the second Lesson: And whensoever it shall happen that the Persons to be married shall dwell in divers Parishes or Chapelries, the Banns shall in like manner be published in the Church or Chapel belonging to such Parish or Chapelry wherein each of the said Persons shall dwell; and where both or either of the Persons to be married shall dwell in any extraparochial Place, (having no Church or Chapel wherein Banns have been usually published) then the Banns shall in like manner be published in the Parish Church or Chapel belonging to some Parish or Chapelry adjoining to such Extraparochial Place: And where Banns shall be published in any Church or Chapel belonging to any Parish adjoining to such Extraparochial Place, the Parson, Vicar, Minister Curate, publishing such Banns shall, in Writing under his Hand, certify the Publication thereof in such manner as if either of the Persons to be married dwelt in such adjoining Parish; and that all other the Rules prescribed by the said Rubrick concerning the Publication of Banns, and the Solemnization of Matrimony, and not hereby altered, shall be duly observed; and that in all Cases where Banns shall have been published, the Marriage shall be solemnized in one of the Parish Churches or Chapels where such Banns have been published, and in no other Place whatsoever. ... XIV. And for preventing undue Entries and Abuses in Registers of Marriages; Be it enacted by the Authority aforesaid, That on or before the twenty-fifth Day of March in the Year one-thousand seven hundred and fifty-four, and from Time to Time afterwards as there shall be Occasion, the Church-wardens and Chapel-wardens of every Parish or Chapelry shall provide proper Books of Vellum, or good and durable Paper in which all Marriages and Banns of Marriage respectively, there published or solemnized, shall be registered, and every Page thereof shall be marked at the Top, with the Figure of the Number of every such Page, beginning at the second Leaf with Number-one; and every Leaf or Page so numbered, shall be ruled with Lines at proper and equal Distances from each other, or as near as may be; and all Banns and Marriages published or celebrated in any Church or Chapel, or within any such Parish or Chapelry, shall be respectively entered, registered, printed, or written upon or as near as conveniently may be to such ruled Line , and shall be signed by the Parson, Vicar, Minister or Curate, or by some other Person in his Presence and by his Direction; and such Entries shall be made as aforesaid, on or near such Lines in successive Order, where the Paper is not damaged or decayed, by Accident or Length of Time, until a new Book shall be thought proper or necessary to be provided for the same Purposes, and then the Directions aforesaid shall be observed in every such new Book; and all Books provided as aforesaid shall be deemed to belong to every such Parish or Chapel respectively, and shall be carefully kept and preserved for publick Use. ... XV. And in order to preserve the Evidence of Marriages, and to make the Proof thereof more certain and easy, and for the Direction of Ministers in the Celebration of Marriages and registering thereof, Be it enacted, That from and after the twenty-fifth Day of March in the Year one thousand seven hundred and fifty-four, all Marriages shall be solemnized in the Presence of two or more credible Witnesses, besides the Minister who shall celebrate the same; and that immediately after the Celebration of every Marriage, an Entry thereof shall he made in such Register to be kept as aforesaid ; in which Entry or Register it shall be expressed, That the said Marriage was celebrated by Banns or Licence; and if both or either of the Parties married by Licence, be under Age, with Consent of the Parents or Guardians, as the Case shall be and shall be signed by the Minister with his proper Addition, and also by the Parties married, and attested by such two Witnesses; which Entry shall be made in the Form or to the Effect following; that is to say A.B. of [the this] Parish and C.D. of [the this] Parish were married in this [Church Chapel] by [Banns Licence] with Consent of [Parents Guardians] this Day of in the Year by me J.J. [Rector Vicar Curate] This Marriage was solemnized between us A.B. C.D. in the Presence of E.F. G.H. ... etc.
Without these Acts, there would be little to no records upon which to base our research and discovery.
DiscoveryResearch and discovery starts with trying to establish the parameters for the research.
Extent of Biddlecombe Surname, and variations.
This is part of the process of trying to establish if there are other Biddlecombe families in the area, which could confuse matters, and their distribution. By seeing families in the Baptism Register can help eliminate alternative options for residents in Hampshire, of the Church of England. Obliviously this method excludes families without children. It also does not take into account other variables such as change of location. It is just indicative, but helpful.
Refer to Biddlecombe families of the Parish of Eling, Hampshire
BaptismNursling 1617 to 1735Baptisms in the Nursling Parish Register 1617 to 1735
The first interest in this registry is looking for the Baptism of William Mabey or variations of that spelling. The reason for reviewing these particular years is the Burial record of a William Mayby. Burials, 1795 April 14 William Mayby aged 63 years Form his stated age at burial it would suggest a birth of around 1732. The range of search shown below is 1730 to 1735. Remember that until 1752 the beginning of the New Year was 25 March (Lady Day, the Feast of the Annunciation). This is evident in the pages below.
As far as I can see there are only four boys baptised William in the Parish of Nursling between the years 1730 to 1735 inclusive. None of them to a Mabey of similar family. The search will have to be widened.
Nursling 1736 to 1797Baptisms in the Nursling Parish Register 1736 to 1797Baptised at Nursling Parish Church, St Boniface. Looking in the relevant Parish Registers first, starting with Nursling, Hampshire. I did a page turn of the Register images looking for any entries with the surname Mabey, aided by the HGS Baptism Index shown above. Looking through other registers there are a lot of babies privately baptised because they are weak or sick who are taken into the "Congregation of Xt's Flock", "Congregation of Christ's Flock", or "buried on", all in the same entry. There are a number of recognisable family names within the early pages, which may or may not be related, but it is not until 17?? that I came across the Baptism of a Mabey. Before listing the finds in the Mabey family, lets look at the Long family. This is to establish a presence of the Long family in the parish of Nursling, which may help explain the addition of a Mabey family to Nursling parish. Where did William Mabey move from when he married Ann Long in St Boniface Church in Nursling? Mary, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long
10. Mary, Daughr. of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long. July 10, 1740 Mary, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long. This register only started in 1736 and this is page 3, with the page numbers added later in pencil by S. C. Wilks. Note two other sad entries on this page, '... privately baptised & both soon after died' and '... privately baptised and died after some few days.' Checks in burials may possibly include the mother. Child birth was a particularly difficult and hazardous event in these times. Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long
Oct: 9. Ann, Daughr. of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long. Oct: 9, 1741. Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long. Potentially, this Ann Long is the mother of John Mabey. Look to marriages section to find William Mabey married to Ann Long. Susan, Daughter, of Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long
Apr 22 Susan, Daughr, of Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long P.ly Willm Kelsey admitted into ye Congregation May 14, & Susan Long the 25th
Apr 22 1744 Susan, Daughter, of Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long Baptised Privately. William Kelsey admitted into the Congregation May 14, & Susan Long the May 25th Again, not a Mabey for this baptism record. However, it is another Long, the significance of which will hopefully become apparent later. Also it is an example of Baptised Privately and subsequently admitted into the Congregation / Church. Nathan, Richard, & Phebe Sons and Daughter of Nathan & Rebecca Long
July 20 Nathan Richard & Phebe Sons and Daughter of Nathan & Rebecca Long July 20 1749 Nathan, Richard, & Phebe Sons and Daughter of Nathan & Rebecca Long A job lot? Susan Long, above, was Baptised on Apr 22 1744, approximately 5 years before this Baptism. Which is sufficient time for 3 separate pregnancies giving rise to 3 children being baptised at the same time. It could be triplets, or twins and a single, but the is sufficient time interval for it to be three individual births between 1745 and 1749. John Son of Nathan & Rebecca Long
Jan 28 John S. of Nathan & Rebecca Long Jan 28 1758 John Son of Nathan & Rebecca Long On this page there is also the baptism of Catharine, daughter of Edmund and Martha Morris, the Rector of this parish, and his wife.
Seven children in 18 years, is not implausible, nor is the gaps between them, albeit three baptised at the same time. I have given those three estimated years of birth between 1745 and 1749. However, is this one family or two. Parents are Nathaniel, & Rebeccah Long until 1744 and then at the next baptism, in 1749, they are Nathan & Rebecca Long. Very similar names, but are the people one in the same? On the basis of probability, I will go with the thought that it is all one family, but I accept that is not definitive. I think there is sufficient evidence to confirm that there is an established presence of a Long family in the Parish of Nursling.
Now on to the Mabey surname.Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby
Aug 1 Martha D of Willm & Mary Maby Aug 1, 1761 Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby Maby is not Mabey but is similar. William Mabey and Ann Long were married at St Boniface Church, Nursling, Hampshire on 29 October 1760. So 1st August 1761 is a respectable date of first born after marriage. However, who is Mary? William married Ann, not Mary. Is Mary an alternative name for Ann, such as Mary Ann, or Ann Mary. Not according to the baptism record. Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby
May 4 Susan. D. of Willm & Anne Maby May 4, 1764 Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby Again, Maby is not Mabey but is similar. At least the parents are the expected William and Ann. 1768Ann Daughter of James Penny
Ann the Daughter of James Penny was baptised February vii - 7th Feb 1768, was baptised at St Boniface Church Nursling. 1768Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey
Sep 12 Joseph. S, of Willm. & Anne Mabey Sep 12, 1768, Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey.
1771John Son of William & Anne Mabey
Jan 17 Jno S of William & Anne Mabey Jan 17, 1771 John Son of William & Anne Mabey 1773Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey
May 31 Richd S. of Wm & Anne Mabey May 31, 1773 Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey 1775John, Son of John & Sarah Penny |
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| Baptism date | Child name | S/D | Parents |
|---|---|---|---|
| Aug 1, 1761 | Martha Maby | D | William & Mary Maby |
| Abt. 1762 | William Mabey | S | |
| Abt. 1781 | Charlotte Mabey | D | |
| Apr 23, 1797 | George Maybey | S | John & Mary Maybey |
The three people above are thought to be part of the family according to other Ancestry trees, however, they are not yet proved from the baptism records found so far. The fourth is possibly a grandchild.
| Baptism date | Child name | S/D | Parents |
|---|---|---|---|
| May 4, 1764 | Susan Maby | D | William & Anne Maby |
| Sep 12, 1768 | Joseph Mabey | S | William & Anne Mabey |
| Jan 17 1771 | John Mabey | S | William & Anne Mabey |
| May 31, 1773 | Richard Mabey | S | William & Anne Mabey |
| Aug 30, 1775 | Milly Mabey | D | William & Ann Mabey |
| Feb 15, 1778 | Mary Mabey | D | William and Ann Mabey |
| Sep 17, 1780 | Susan Mabey | D | William & Ann Mabey |
| Nov 17, 1782 | Elizabeth Maybe | D | William & Anne Maybe |
Eight children in 18 years, is not implausible. Even eleven, adding the uncertain children, is still plausible both in terms of elapsed date and separation of dates.
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Nursling 1798 to 1812
Baptisms in the Nursling Parish Register 1798 to 1812
Baptised at Nursling Parish Church, St Boniface.
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Eling 1672 to 1749
Baptisms in the Eling Parish Register 1672 to 1749
Baptised at Eling Parish Church, St Mary the Virgin, aka St Mary's Church.
Following a similar search in the Nursling Parish Register, without result, it is time to turn attention to the Parish of Eling, Hampshire. General searches of numerous datasets of Parish Records and Bishop's Transcripts have not reveled suitable matches. This could be because of errors in transcription, the variable nature of spelling at the time, or the state of the records, missing or difficult to render a reliable transcription.
The reason for looking in Eling next is some information about his father from Rodney Whale.
Notes: William MABY-245
General: This spelling was as baptised.
Was living in Botley, Hants and moved to Eling. He was examined by the Overseers of the Poor and because he had no settlement certificate he was returned to Botley. However a year later he returned to Eling bearing the certificate and was allowed to settle.
His origins are obscure but he was almost certainly from Dorset. He appears in Swanage for a short while, where his first child was baptised in 1726 and his first wife was buried there in 1731. There is a marriage of a Bernard Mabey in Swanage around this time and he may have been William's brother particularly as William named a son as Bernard.
This information was added to in September 2010 by virtue of his baptism being discovered.
The settlement certificate for Botley is dated 19091738 and one of the Overseers of the poor was Jacob Emery, an ancestor of Beryl Whale nee Sharp.
The Removal Order mentioned was dated 03021737.
The first interest in this Eling registry is looking for the Baptism of William Mabey or variations of that spelling. The reason for reviewing these particular years is the Burial record of a William Mayby.
Burials, 1795
April 14 William Mayby aged 63 years
Form his stated age at burial it would suggest a birth of around 1732.
The range of search shown below is 1730 to 1735. Remember that until 1752 the beginning of the New Year was 25 March (Lady Day, the Feast of the Annunciation). This is evident in the pages below.
1730
Following the location of three relevant baptisms, I am reviewing these images again looking for the shape of the surname.
The last line but one reveals:-
Sarah the daughter of George Meabyee was Baptised September iv. Baptised 4th September 1730 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
However, an alternative direction of travel is a Marriage Certificate for a Sarah Meatyar.
Not here, but on my work in progress tree, I have added George Meabyee, annotated hypothesis, as a brother of William Mabey, b. 1705, the father of William Mabey b. 1734, the person whose Baptism record we are searching for.
I have split the page into three parts to ensure that the writing is large enough for you to be able to read it, and find something that I have missed. There will therefore be some duplication at the joints.
You can see that there are a lot more baptisms in a year than in Nursling, as to be expected, Eling is larger both by area and population.
As you can see, the page gets very difficult to read towards the bottom. I can fully understand why this was not transcribed, as that would produce unreliable data.
However, I believe I can make out enough to search for a name of William for the baptised person, and an M for the beginning of the father's surname.
Fortunately, Ancestry, as well as some other sites, has the ability to invert the colours of the image, in the tools section. Sometimes this can make the image more legible. Not always sufficient to transcribe though, and I doubt the original transcribers had this technique available to them.
1731
Below, the sixth record from the top reveals:-
Andrew the Son of Joseph Meabyee was Baptised April vii. Baptised 7th April 1731 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
However, an alternative direction of travel is a Marriage Certificate for a Sarah Meatyar, but no similar alternative for Andrew.
Not here, but on my work in progress tree, I have added Joseph Meabyee, annotated hypothesis, as a brother of William Mabey, b. 1705, the father of William Mabey b. 1734, the person whose Baptism record we are searching for.
1732
Another possible, four records down from the top of the last section; Christian the daughter of George M???? was baptised July xxvi. July 26th 1732 baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling. An unusual name for a daughter. Not transcribed in Ancestry.
Yellow dots, instead of a light wash to highlight, so as to not obscure the writing on the Registry page. Ann the daughter of William Meabee Baptised January vi. Baptised 6th January 1732 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
1733
1734
William the Son of William Maebee was Bapt. March xxxi. Baptised 31st March 1734 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
The blue dot is just to highlight the use of a capital M, in a word recognisable as Mary, for comparison with Maebee, which is much less certain.
1735
Mary the daughter of William Maebee was Baptised March viii. Baptised 8th March 1735 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
1736 Part only
Bernard the Son of William Meabe was Baptised March i. Baptised on 1st March 1736 at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
1738
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge was baptised October xxxi - 31st October 1738, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
The baptism record above Ann, is also interesting, Robert Brown of about 17 Years of Age (his Parents being Quakers) was bap: Oct. xxi. Further confirms that older children may have their age shown, and sometimes annotated with a reason for late baptism.
Eling 1750 to 1798
Baptisms in the Eling Parish Register 1750 to 1798
Baptised at Eling Parish Church, St Mary the Virgin, aka St Mary's Church.
A reminder that until 1752 the beginning of the New Year was 25 March (Lady Day, the Feast of the Annunciation). This is evident in the pages below.
1750
Thomas the Son of John & Elizabeth Penny
Thomas the Son of John & Elizabeth Penny was baptised July xiii - 13th July 1750, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
Not particularly relevant, just the same surname.
However, it does provide some evidence of Penny family or families in the Parish of Eling, at least from 1750.
1759
Ann Daughter of William and Mary Eldridge
Ann Daughter of William and Mary Eldridge was baptized July xv - 15th July 1759, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
List of Rectors & Vicars
A spectacular find. Click on image to go to source.
This list is so helpful. In the past I would look through the Parish Register for information to create a list, or go to some of the sources at the top of the image. This is so much easier, just look the parish up, and there is the list. I recognise some of the names from the Marriage Certificates.
Why have I put this here? Well some of the Ancestry Trees have some of the Penny family being born at The Vicarage, Eling Hill, Eling, Hampshire. Which is the correct address for the vicarage of St Mary's, aka St Mary the Virgin Church.
It does not appear that the Penny family are the rector or vicar of the parish, but that does not make the information incorrect. They could be part of the domestic or gardening / farming team.
1772
George the Son of William & Ann Penny
George the Son of William & Ann Penny was baptised May vi. - 6th May 1772 baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
A Penny family found in Eling, just not the one looked for.
1776
Joseph & Mary Son & Daughter of James & Ann Peny
Joseph & Mary Son & Daughter of James & Ann Peny was baptised Novr iii - 3rd November 1776 baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
I believe Mary is the person I was looking for. She becomes John Mabey's wife.
I think Peny and Penny are the same families.
Eling Parish Register
1790
William Son of William and Mary Mabey
William Son of William & Mary Mabey [or Mobey] 20
20 Jan, 1790 William Son of William & Mary Mabey
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Marriage
Before we get into the registers ...
Marriage, a snippet of information
In 1780, the minimum legal age for marriage was 12 years for women and 14 years for men. It was also possible for the couple to get engaged at the age of 7, with the right to break off the engagement on reaching the minimum age of consent. However, early marriages were rather rare, and the average age of the newlyweds was about 25 years.
An extract from a Royal Historical Society article.
Nursling 1736 to 1797
Marriages in the Nursling Parish Register 1736 to 1797
William Maby to Anne Long
The marriages in this book from pencil page 42 to pencil page 48 seem to be abridged from the fuller book as ordered by Act of George II . S.C. Wilks Feb. 1854.
1760 Oct 29 William Maby to Ann Long
| 1760 | |||||
| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | William Maby | ||||
| and | Anne Long | ||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 12 | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
| 1760 | ||||||
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| William Maby of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
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| Anne Long Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
| 29 Oct 1760 |
John Grove is the witness to a number of these marriages which suggests that he may be a clerk or a churchwarden as opposed to a relative.
John Mathews to Mary Long
No entry in the Banns Register between 1762 and 1767 inclusive. Also records no 12 and 13 are blank.
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| No. 20 | ||||||
| John Mathews of the Parish of Rumsey [Romsey] | ||||||
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| Mary Long of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 28 Day of February in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Sixty three | by me | P. Smith | Curate of Eling. | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | John Mathew's Mark ----- | |||||
| Mary Long's Mark | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Charles Waunner | |||||
| William Maybe | ||||||
| 28 Feb 1763 |
Oh, for all writing to be as clear as the Curates! I would still transcribe the data even though it is not necessary to read it, but doing so makes it searchable.
Nathan Long to Mary Powel
| 1768 | ||||||
| No. 59 | ||||||
| Nathan Long of this Parish Widower | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Mary Powel Widow | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Licence this | Eleventh Day of Sepbr. in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty Eight | by me | Edmd Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Mark of \ Nathan Long | |||||
| Mark of + of Mary Powel | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Thomas Richards | |||||
| William Irvine | ||||||
| 11 Sept 1768 |
John Osman to Sarah Maybey
| 1784 | |||||
| No 33 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Oasman | ||||
| and | Sarah Maybe | both of this parish | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the seventeenth | day of | October | |
| On Sunday, | the twenty fourth | day of | October | by me S. J. Collins | |
| On Sunday, | the thirty first | day of | October 1784 | Curate |
| 1784 | ||||||
| No. 84 | ||||||
| John Osman of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Sarah Maybey of the same, Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | second Day of November in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Eighty four | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | + the Mark of John Osman | |||||
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| In the Presence of | + the Mark of John Hicks | |||||
| Thos Richards | ||||||
| 2 Nov 1784 |
John Maybe to Mary Penny
Banns are from Nursling and therefore included here, as well as the Marriage recorded in Eling Parish Register and Bishops Transcripts. All kept together for clarity.
| 1794 | |||||
| No 54 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Maybe | of this parish | |||
| and | Mary Penny | of the parish of Eling | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 16th of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
| On Sunday, | the 23d of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate | |
| On Sunday, | the 2d of March | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
The Bride is from the Parish of Eling, so unsurprisingly, the marriage took place in Eling.
The first entry on this page, no. 408, is copied here just because John Mebey signed as a witness. The signature looks to be the same for his own wedding, so perhaps it has no other significance than he was presence for both weddings, on the third of March and could write.
| 1794 | ||||||
| No. 409 | ||||||
| John Mebey Batchelor of the Parish of Nursling | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Mary Penny of this parish Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | Third Day of March in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Four | by me | Charles Sloman | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | John Mebey | |||||
| Mark + of Mary Penny | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Philip Stride | |||||
| Thomas Bessant | ||||||
| 3 Mar 1794 |
The associated Bishop's Transcripts, also for Eling
John Goff to Mary Maybey
| 1796 | ||||||
| No. 124 | ||||||
| John Goff of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Mary Maybey of this parish Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | Second Day of February in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Six | by me | S. J. Collins | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Mark x of John Goff | |||||
| Mark x of Mary Maybey | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Mebey | |||||
| Mark x of Sarah Osbourne | ||||||
| Thoms Richards | ||||||
| 2 Feb 1796 |
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
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| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
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Marriages in the Nursling Parish Register 1798 to 1812
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| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
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| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
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Eling 1754 to 1783
Marriages in the Eling Parish Register 1754 to 1783
1758
Marriage of James Penny and Ann Eldridge
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| James Penny of the Parish of Lyndhurst | ||||||
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| Ann Eldridge of this Parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | thirteenth Day of April in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty eight | by me | Joseph Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between Us | C the Mark of James Penny | |||||
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| In the Presence of | O the Mark of Joseph Jones | |||||
| O the Mark of James Olding | ||||||
| 13 April 1758 |
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Eling 1784 to 1797
Eling 1798 to 1812
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| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
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1792
Richard Penny and Elizabeth Stanswood
| 1792 | ||||||
| No. 382 | ||||||
| Richard Penny of this Parish | ||||||
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| Elizabeth Stanswood both of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns thrice published this | eighth Day of November in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety two | by me | H Haivest | Minister | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Richard Penny | |||||
| x the Mark of Elizabeth Stanswooh | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Pike | |||||
| x the Mark Fanny Veale | ||||||
| 8 Nov 1792 |
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Burial
The Burying in Woollen Acts
I would note that within some Parish Registers, burials started to be annotated with the affidavit about being buried in wool. Below is an example of same, but for a different parish. There are similar annotations in this parish during the appropriate dates.
The Register of the Parish of the Church of Thorncombe.
One example of many.
The first, well actually the second page of the register is headed;
A Register of those that have been buried in Woollen according to ?? ??? Act of Parliament Thorncombe 1680.
The primary thing to note here is that the book is indeed in relation to Thorncombe and that there is no reference to it being any other form of church, so presumably the Established Church.
The other thing of particular interest was the 'buried in Woollen according to Act of Parliament.' I had not come across this before so had to look it up. Wikipedia quickly provided an answer.
The Burying in Woollen Acts 1666–80 were Acts of the Parliament of England (Cha. II c. 4 (1666), Cha. II c. 3 (1678) and Cha. II c. 1 (1680) ) which required the dead, except plague victims and the destitute, to be buried in pure English woollen shrouds to the exclusion of any foreign textiles.
Enforcement
It was a requirement that an affidavit be sworn in front of a Justice of the Peace (usually by a relative of the deceased), confirming burial in wool, with the punishment of a £5 fee for noncompliance. Burial entries in parish registers were marked with the word "affidavit" or its equivalent to confirm that affidavit had been sworn; it would be marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen shroud.
The legislation was in force until 1814, but was generally ignored after 1770. The 1666 Act was repealed by the Statute Law Revision Act 1863.
The next interesting title page was at the beginning of the baptisms. It was a very smudged copy so I have tried to clean it up a little, without losing any of the original writing, however it is still difficult to decipher in the whole.
However, again it confirms that the book pertains to Thorncombe and seems to commence in 1663.
'A time to be born and a time to die' is one of the lines on the page.
It is difficult to make things out on the page, but it is nearly 4 centuries old. The Mayflower sailed to America in 1620 and the monarchy had been restored in 1660 with Charles II on the throne.
Turning to the next page of the scan, there are baptisms records, in Latin commencing in 15?? followed by 1552.
Nursling 1736 to 1797
Burials in the Nursling Parish Register 1736 to 1797
Before we get into the subject matter. Above is the record of the Rector of the Parish.
1776
Jany 20th The Revd Edmund Morris, Rector of the Parish, aged 58 years.
Nearly three years later his wife is buried.
Dec 25 Matha Widow of the Rev. Mr Edmund Morris late Rector of this Parish
Dec 25, 1778 Matha Widow of the Rev. Mr Edmund Morris late Rector of this Parish
Also on this page,
Feby 24 William Iwine Clerk of this Parish aged 50 . years
Feb 24, 1779 William Iwine Clerk of this Parish aged 50 . years
I can read this page but it is easier with the Bishops Transcription below.
June 4 Milly Maybe aged 7. drowned
4 June, 1782 Milly Maybe aged 7. drowned
Also on page;
Robert Cranmer Rector of Nursling
Thos Figes}
Geo Hill } Churchwardens
The Churchwardens in 1782 were Thomas Figes and George Hill
1795
William Mayby
Burials, 1795
April 14 William Mayby aged 63 years
Form his stated age at burial it would suggest a birth of around 1732.
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Eling A 1798 to 1812
Eling B 1798 to 1812
Wilts West Knoyle 1813 to 1991
1819
Ann Penny
Burials in the Parish of West Knoyle, Wiltshire - Ann Penny Abode, West Knoyle was buried Sepr 14th [1819] aged 81
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Other A 1798 to 1812
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Census
Unlike other tab structures in this article, the Census will be organised by year of Census not by Parish.
1841
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
1851
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
Description of Enumeration District, St Michaels Southampton
6a All that part of the parish of St Michael, Southampton which comprises Butcher Row (otherwise called West Street) Strugnell’s Passage, French Street, Brewhouse Lane, Churcher's Passage, Lenny's Passage, Hampton Court, St Michael's Square, Church Lane, Bugle Street, Vyse Lane and Wickham Court.
I have tried to play join the dots on the above map. Not entirely successfully as they are very good at hiding in the details of the map. However, even if approximate, it is easier to see the general extent of the parishes, from left to right, across the bottom of Southampton, St Michael or St Michael's, St John, and Holyrood. Boundary, at the time of the drawing of the map, marked in a blue line.
Below in part of the Key associated with this series of maps.
Part of the Key for Ordnance Survey old 25" maps - Boundaries
Charles Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | House Number | Given Name | Surname | Relationship | Age | Estimated Birth Year | Gender | Birth Place | Occupation | Combined Name |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Charles | Penny | Head | 28 | 1823 | Male | Somerset, England | Cordwainer | Charles Penny |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Charlotte | Penny | Wife | 30 | 1821 | Female | Hampshire, England | Charlotte Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Harry | Penny | Son | 5 | 1846 | Male | Southampton | Harry Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Thomas | Penny | Son | 2 | 1849 | Male | Southampton | Thomas Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Mary Ann | Penny | Daughter | 6 Mo | 1850 | Female | Southampton | Mary Ann Penny | |
| 1851 | 13a French Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 35a | Maria | Bovier | 12 | 1839 | Female | Southampton | House Servant | Maria Bovier |
Note Maria Bovier at the end of the list, a twelve year old house servant.
Charles Penny is two years younger than his wife Charlotte Penny. He was born in Somerset and is a cordwainer.
A cordwainer is a shoemaker who makes new shoes from new leather. The cordwainer's trade can be contrasted with the cobbler's trade, according to a tradition in Britain that restricted cobblers to repairing shoes.
Another Charles Penny
Description of Enumeration District, Hamble le Rice, Hampshire
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | House Number | Given Name | Surname | Relationship | Age | Estimated Birth Year | Gender | Birth Place | Occupation | Combined Name |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Charles | Penny | Head | 31 | 1820 | Male | Eling, Hampshire, England | Shoe Maker (Master) | Charles Penny |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Elizabeth | Penny | Wife | 27 | 1824 | Female | Southampton | Elizabeth Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Sarah E | Penny | Daughter | 5 | 1846 | Female | Hamble, Hampshire, England | Sarah E Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Charles R | Penny | Son | 2 | 1849 | Male | Hamble, Hampshire, England | Charles R Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | George F | Penny | Son | 1 | 1850 | Male | Hamble, Hampshire, England | George F Penny | |
| 1851 | Next door to the Bugle Inn | Hamble le Rice | Hamble | 45 | Fredrick | Penny | Brother | 18 | 1833 | Male | Eling, Hampshire, England | Fredrick Penny |
1861
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
Description of Enumeration District, St Michaels Southampton
All that remaining part of the Parish of St Michael, Southampton comprising Coocke Lane, Westgate Street, Westgate Terrace, Auspack Place, West Quay, Blue Anchor Lane, Lock's Court, both sides of Simnel Street, Hunts Court, Pepper Alley and Courts, Dean's Court, Castle Court, Spearings Court, Silk Shop Yard, Landsdown Place, Castle Lane, Chesterfield Terrace and Court adjoining.
This enumerator, John Fletcher, has been very helpful and left a sketch map of the area he was to cover.
However, I have not yet been able to make out Cooke Lane.
The order given in the notes is not the same as the records, which presumably represent the walking route used by the enumerator.
Starting with Castle Lane.
Then;-
- Landsdown Place
- Castle Lane
- West Quay Tower
- Castle Lane
- Castle Court
- Castle Square
- Chesterfield Terrace
- Simnel Street
- Hunts Court
- Dean's Court
- Simnel Street, Queen Charlotte Inn.
- Simnel Street
- Silk Shop Yard
- Simnel Street
- Taylor's Court
- Simnell Street
- Locks Court
- West Quay
- West Gate House
- West Quay
- Collliers Court
- West Quay
- Blue Anchor Court
- Blue Anchor Lane
- Pepper Alley
- Whites Court
- Pepper Alley
- West Gate Tower
- West Gate Street
- Whites Court
- West Gate Street
- Royal Pier Toll House
- Coocks Lane
Then, perhaps, back to;-
- Simnel Street
- Pepper Alley
- Castle Court
Ending at Simnel Street.
From the above I would expect to find Coocks or Coocke Lane at the South, near the Royal Pier.
From the foregoing and the NLS Old OS Map 25" I assume that Coocks or Coocke Lane is Cuckoo Lane, which is near the Royal Pier at its southern end.
The 1851 Census address was 13a French Street. I have shaded French Street a light blue wash in the above map. I think 13a was about the same extent north as Westgate Street. About 3 minutes walk between French Street and the middle of Cuckoo Lane.
An 1846 OS map found on the City of Southampton's website. With Cuckoo Lane pinpointed.
Charles Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Est. Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | Ecclesiastical parish | Town |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Charles Penny | Male | 38 | Head | 1823 | Somerset, England | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Charlotte Penny | Female | 44 | Wife | 1817 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | >Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Henry Penny | Male | 17 | Son | 1844 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Thos Penny | Male | 11 | Son | 1850 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Ann Penny | Female | 8 | Daughter | 1853 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | George Penny | Male | 7 | Son | 1854 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Stephen Penny | Male | 6 | Son | 1855 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Julia Penny | Female | 3 | Daughter | 1858 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane |
St Michaels | Southampton | 166 | Charlotte Penny | Female | 1 | Daughter | 1860 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | ||
| Name | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED | Occupation | Compare Names | Compare Estimated Birth Year | Compare Where born | Compare Occupation |
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| Charles Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Shoemaker | TRUE | TRUE | TRUE | FALSE |
| Charlotte Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | TRUE | FALSE | FALSE | ||
| Henry Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | FALSE | FALSE | TRUE | ||
| Thos Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | FALSE | FALSE | TRUE | ||
| Ann Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| George Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| Stephen Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| Julia Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |||||
| Charlotte Penny | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Compare with previous Census
There are more 'FALSE' in the compare section than I would normally like.
Charlotte Penny is now six years older than Charles Penny whereas previously it was two years between them.
Harry aged 5 has become Henry aged 17, expected to be 15.
Thomas aged 2 has lost a year, now aged 11, expected to be 12. However, this is an acceptable variation, as is the abbreviation of Thomas to Thos.
Mary Ann, aged 6 months, does not appear here. Perhaps she has died.
Charlotte Penny recorded a place of birth change from Hampshire to Southampton. However, this is just a change in the level of detail.
Occupation from cordwainer the shoemaker is just a change of term for the same thing.
On balance of probability, I think they are the same family, despite the differences from one census, to the next, ten years later.
There is a possibility that Charlotte Penny form 1815 died after having Harry, and Charles Penny re-married, to another Charlotte, on 3 Dec 1849. Some 3 to 5 years after Harry/Henry estimated birth year.
Not Charles Penny but John Penny
Building 111 spread over two pages.
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | James Fisher | Male | 40 | Head | 1821 | Bath | Southampton St Michael |
Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Fisher | Female | 26 | Wife | 1835 | Plymouth | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Emily Fisher | Female | 12 | Niece | 1849 | Plymouth | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Ann Riley | Female | 17 | Servant | 1844 | Manchester | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Fanny Norte | Female | 20 | Servant | 1841 | Bath | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Tobia Pickford | Female | 44 | Lodger | 1817 | Pangance | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Thos Parsons | Male | 44 | Lodger | 1817 | Dorset, England | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | John Penny | Male | 40 | Lodger | 1821 | Hampshire, England | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Penny | Female | 29 | Lodger | 1832 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Mary Penny | Female | 9 | Lodger | 1852 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | John Penny | Male | 4 | Lodger | 1857 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Fredk Kotcher | Male | 18 | Lodger | 1843 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | James Langford | Male | 18 | Lodger | 1843 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | Stephen Rulpit | Male | 30 | Lodger | 1831 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
| 1861 | Blue Anchor Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 111 | George Savage | Male | 40 | Lodger | 1821 | Bristol | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Another Penny family, but this time in lodgings with a number of other families. As they are all listed as lodgers, it is not possible to definitively state the relationship within the family, but I assume it is John Penny, aged 40, with his wife Mary, aged 29, together with their two children, a girl and a boy, Mary 9, and John 4. John Penny is about the same age as Charles Penny, and is also a shoemaker.
George Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Gorge Penny | Male | 50 | Head | 1811 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Shoemaker |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Emma Penny | Female | 48 | Wife | 1813 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Julia Penny | Female | 14 | Daughter | 1847 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | George Penny | Male | 4 | Son | 1857 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Thos Penny | Male | 2 | Son | 1859 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Castle Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 26 | Anna Penny | Female | 1 | Daughter | 1860 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Thomas Penny
| Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Thomas Penny | Male | 30 | Husband | 1831 | Cork, Ireland | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Labourer |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Hannah Penny | Female | 28 | Wife | 1833 | Cork, Ireland | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Margret Penny | Female | 5 | Daughter | 1856 | Reading | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Thomas Penny | Male | 3 | Son | 1858 | Guildford | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| St Michaels | Southampton | 78 | Henry Penny | Male | 7 mths | Son | 1860 | Kent, England | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
I think Thomas Penny is not associated with Charles Penny, as he and his wife were recorded as being born in Cork, Ireland
Rob Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | West Gate Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 134 | Rob Penny | Male | 36 | Head | 1825 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Pilot |
| 1861 | West Gate Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 134 | Willl Chee | Male | 53 | Lodger | 1808 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Painter |
| 1861 | West Gate Street | St Michaels | Southampton | 134 | Sarah Chee | Female | 54 | Lodger | 1807 | Cowes | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
Rob Penny is listed as head of the family, but with no other family shown. Will and Sarah Chee are recorded as lodgers. Rob Penny is a Pilot, which considering the date of the Census, is a marine pilot.
James Cheatie, James Cheatie Penny, or James Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | James Cheatie | Male | 37 | Head | 1824 | Marchwood | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | Pilot |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Ann Penny | Female | 32 | Wife | 1829 | Milton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Fredk Penny | Male | 11 | Son | 1850 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Edk Penny | Male | 9 | Son | 1852 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Susanna Penny | Female | 6 | Daughter | 1855 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Clara Penny | Female | 3 | Daughter | 1858 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Arthur Penny | Female | 01-Dec | Daughter | 1861 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 | |
| 1861 | Coocks Lane, / Cuckoo Lane | St Michaels | Southampton | 162 | Rebecca Johnson | Female | 17 | Visitor | 1844 | Southampton | Southampton St Michael | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 47 |
James is also a pilot, as was Rob Penny. He lives in Cuckoo Lane, the same road as Charles Penny.
Old OS 25" Map of St Michael Parish with approximate locations of the above Penny families plotted.
It appears as quite a tight cluster of Penny families, some who may be related, or not. Our interest is Charles Penny, whose marker is in blue.
Looking in the Parish of St Mary's, Southampton
Edward Elliot Penny
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | Town | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | 14 Melbourne Street | St Mary's | Southampton | 121 | Edward Elliott Penny | Male | 19 | Boarder | 1842 | Southampton, Hampshire, England | Southampton St Mary | Southampton | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | 16 | Boiler Makers Assistant |
Southampton Workhouse - Mary Penny
Read about the Southampton Workhouse or Poor House at an external site.
| Census year | Place | Parish | Town | Household schedule number | Name | Gender | Age | Relationship | Estimated Birth Year | Where born | Civil parish | Ecclesiastical parish | County/Island | Country | Registration District | Sub-registration district | ED, Institution, or Vessel | Occupation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1861 | Workhouse | St Mary's | Southampton | 1 | Mary Penny | Female | 60 | Pauper | 1801 | Lymington, Hampshire, England | Southampton St Mary | St Mary | Hampshire | England | Southampton | Southampton | Southampton Workhouse | Domestic Servant |
1871
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
Saint Michaels Parish (part of)
All the remaining part of St Michaels parish comprising Cuckoo Lane Westgate Street Westgate Terrace Amspack Place West Quay Blue Anchor Lane Locks Court Collis Court both Sides of Simnel Street Hunts Court Pepper Alley and Court Deers Court Castle Court Silk Shop Yard Landsdown Place Castle Lane Spearings Court, now Castle Buildings Chesterfield Terrace and Court adjoining Castle Gardens.
Now lets put some punctuation in to make it easier to read and understand.
All the remaining part of St Michaels parish comprising Cuckoo Lane, Westgate Street, Westgate Terrace, Amspack Place, West Quay, Blue Anchor Lane, Locks Court, Collis Court, both sides of Simnel Street, Hunts Court, Pepper Alley and Court, Deers Court, Castle Court, Silk Shop Yard, Landsdown Place, Castle Lane, Spearings Court, now Castle Buildings, Chesterfield Terrace, and Court adjoining Castle Gardens.
1881
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
After his death.
1891
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
After his death.
1901
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
After his death.
1911
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
After his death.
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Disbursements
Disbursements by the Parish
At he back of the Parish Register book 1736 to 1797, there are notes about disbursements made by the Parish.
Data Sheet
Data Sheet
Records, data, and general information about Edward and Mary Biddlecomb of Eling and their family
Husband and Wife
Birth
Baptism
Edward Son of ??? & ??? Biddlecomb
Mary Daughter of ??? & ??? Plaskett
Marriage
| 01 Jun 1759 | Eling | Edward Biddlecomb | and | Mary Plaskett |
Banns
Banns not found, Marriage by License.
| 1760 | |||||
| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | |||||
| and | |||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the | } | ??????? | by ??????? Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the | ) |
Extract of the Eling Parish Register
Marriage
| 1759 | ||||||
| No. 64 | ||||||
| Edward Biddlecomb of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Mary Plaskett Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | License this | First Day of June in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty nine | by me | Jos Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Edward Biddlecomb his Mark | |||||
| x the Mark of Mary Plaskett | ||||||
| In the Presence of | x the Mark of Arthur Plaskett. | |||||
| x the mark of Elizabeth Puskis | ||||||
| 1 Jun 1759 |
This marriage is recorded in my tree, and Edward is my 6th great-granduncle.
John Maybe to Mary Penny
| 1794 | |||||
| No 54 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Maybe | of this parish | |||
| and | Mary Penny | of the parish of Eling | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 16th of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
| On Sunday, | the 23d of Feby | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate | |
| On Sunday, | the 2d of March | 1794 | by me S. J. Collins | Curate |
The Bride is from the Parish of Eling, so unsurprisingly, the marriage took place in Eling.
The first entry on this page, no. 408, is copied here just because John Mebey signed as a witness. The signature looks to be the same for his own wedding, so perhaps it has no other significance than he was presence for both weddings, on the third of March and could write.
| 1794 | ||||||
| No. 409 | ||||||
| John Mebey Batchelor of the Parish of Nursling | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Mary Penny of this parish Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | Third Day of March in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Four | by me | Charles Sloman | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | John Mebey | |||||
| Mark + of Mary Penny | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Philip Stride | |||||
| Thomas Bessant | ||||||
| 3 Mar 1794 |
The associated Bishop's Transcripts, also for Eling.
Death
Burial
Census
Census and Voting Registers
UK Census dates from 1911Census.org;
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
1841
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
After his death.
1851
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
After his death.
1861
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
After his death.
1871
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
After his death.
1881
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
After his death.
1891
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
After his death.
1901
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
After his death.
1911
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
After his death.
Parents
Parents
William & Anne Mabey
His Father
William Mabey
Ancestry Synopsis
When William Mabey was born on 31 March 1734 in Eling, Hampshire, his father, William, was 29 and his mother, Elizabeth, was 26. He married Ann Long on 29 October 1760 in Nursling, Hampshire. They had 11 children in 21 years. He died on 14 April 1795 in Nursling, Hampshire, at the age of 61.
Baptism
William the Son of William Meabee
William the Son of William Maebee was Bapt. March xxxi. Baptised 31st March 1734 in St. Mary the Virgin Church, Eling.
The blue dot is just to highlight the use of a capital M, in a word recognisable as Mary, for comparison with Maebee, which is much less certain.
Marriage
William Maby [Mabey] to Anne Long at St Boniface Church, Nursling Hampshire, on 29 October 1760.
One of only two weddings at that church, that year.
Extracts from the Nursling Parish Register.
The marriages in this book from pencil page 42 to pencil page 48 seem to be abridged from the fuller book as ordered by Act of George II . S.C. Wilks Feb. 1854.
1760 Oct 29 William Maby to Ann Long
| 1760 | |||||
| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | William Maby | ||||
| and | Anne Long | ||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 12 | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
| 1760 | ||||||
| No. 11 | ||||||
| William Maby of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Anne Long Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
| 29 Oct 1760 |
John Grove is the witness to a number of these marriages which suggests that he may be a clerk or a churchwarden as opposed to a relative.
2nd Marriage
Death
Assumed to be shortly before 14th April 1795.
Burial
Burials, 1795
April 14 William Mayby aged 63 years
His Mother
Anne Long
Ancestry Synopsis;
When Ann Long was born on 9 October 1741 in Nursling, Hampshire, her father, Nathaniel, was 31, and her mother, Rebecca, was 24. She married William Mabey on 29 October 1760 in her hometown. They had 11 children in 21 years. She died on 18 October 1821 in Nursling, Hampshire, having lived a long life of 80 years.
Baptism
Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long
Oct: 9. Ann, Daughr. of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long.
Oct: 9, 1741. Ann, Daughter of Nathaniel & Rebeccah Long, Baptised at St Boniface Church, Nursling, Hampshire.
Marriage
William Maby [Mabey] to Anne Long at St Boniface Church, Nursling Hampshire, on 29 October 1760.
Extracts from the Nursling Parish Register. (The same as for William Mabey above)
The marriages in this book from pencil page 42 to pencil page 48 seem to be abridged from the fuller book as ordered by Act of George II . S.C. Wilks Feb. 1854.
1760 Oct 29 William Maby to Ann Long
| 1760 | |||||
| No 9 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | William Maby | ||||
| and | Anne Long | ||||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the 12 | ) | ||
| On Sunday, | the 19 | } | October | by Ed. Morris Rector | |
| On Sunday, | the 26 | ) |
| 1760 | ||||||
| No. 11 | ||||||
| William Maby of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Anne Long Spinster of this parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | 29 Day of October in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Sixty | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | William Mybe | |||||
| Mark x of Anne Long | ||||||
| In the Presence of | John Grove | |||||
| Elizabeth Fillere | ||||||
| 29 Oct 1760 |
John Grove is the witness to a number of these marriages which suggests that he may be a clerk or a churchwarden as opposed to a relative.
Death
Assumed to be shortly before
Burial
Yet to be found
Her Father
1758
Marriage of James Penny and Ann Eldridge
| 1758 | ||||||
| No. 52 | ||||||
| James Penny of the Parish of Lyndhurst | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Ann Eldridge of this Parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | thirteenth Day of April in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty eight | by me | Joseph Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between Us | C the Mark of James Penny | |||||
|
O the Mark of Ann Eldridge |
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| In the Presence of | O the Mark of Joseph Jones | |||||
| O the Mark of James Olding | ||||||
| 13 April 1758 |
Her Mother
Ann Eldridge
1738
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge
Ann the Daughter of Robert & Ann Eldridge was baptised October xxxi - 31st October 1738, baptised at St Mary the Virgin Church, Eling, Hampshire.
1758
Marriage of James Penny and Ann Eldridge
| 1758 | ||||||
| No. 52 | ||||||
| James Penny of the Parish of Lyndhurst | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Ann Eldridge of this Parish | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | thirteenth Day of April in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and fifty eight | by me | Joseph Scott | Curate | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between Us | C the Mark of James Penny | |||||
|
O the Mark of Ann Eldridge |
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| In the Presence of | O the Mark of Joseph Jones | |||||
| O the Mark of James Olding | ||||||
| 13 April 1758 |
1819
Ann Penny
Burials in the Parish of West Knoyle, Wiltshire - Ann Penny Abode, West Knoyle was buried Sepr 14th [1819] aged 81
Given the Baptism date, shown above in this section, of 31st October 1738 and the burial date of 14th September 1819, the duration between those dates is 80 years, 10 months, 14 days excluding the end date, which in the absence of Birth and Death dates, is therefore assumed to be close to an age calculation. About 11/2 months shy of the 81 years shown above. That, in my opinion, is close enough, not to create a red flag.
However, West Knoyle is a long way from Eling. In fact it is about 40 miles, which would be about 41/2 hours walking, from Eling Hill, where the vicarage is. The challenge therefore is to find out why she was there. Are her family still there in the 1841 census, for instance?
Children
Parents Children and Children
His Parents
Ann Mabey nee Long and William Mabey's children's Records.
Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found. They had 11 children in 21 years.
1760
No record yet found
1761 Martha (Sarah)
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Martha (Sarah) Mabey
1761–1784
Birth BEF. 1 AUG 1761 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 2 NOV 1784 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby
Aug 1 Martha D of Willm & Mary Maby
Aug 1, 1761 Martha Daughter of William & Mary Maby
Maby is not Mabey but is similar.
William Mabey and Ann Long were married at St Boniface Church, Nursling, Hampshire on 29 October 1760. So 1st August 1761 is a respectable date of first born after marriage.
However, who is Mary? William married Ann, not Mary. Is Mary an alternative name for Ann, such as Mary Ann, or Ann Mary. Not according to the baptism record.
The record remains not validated.
Marriage
John Osman to Sarah Maybey
| 1784 | |||||
| No 33 | |||||
| Banns of Marriage between | John Oasman | ||||
| and | Sarah Maybe | both of this parish | |||
| were published on the three Sundays underwritten: | |||||
| That is to say, | On Sunday, | the seventeenth | day of | October | |
| On Sunday, | the twenty fourth | day of | October | by me S. J. Collins | |
| On Sunday, | the thirty first | day of | October 1784 | Curate |
| 1784 | ||||||
| No. 84 | ||||||
| John Osman of this Parish Batchelor | ||||||
| and | ||||||
| Sarah Maybey of the same, Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns this | second Day of November in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and Eighty four | by me | Ed: Morris | Rector | |
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | + the Mark of John Osman | |||||
|
+ the Mark of Sarah Maybey |
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| In the Presence of | + the Mark of John Hicks | |||||
| Thos Richards | ||||||
| 2 Nov 1784 |
Nice marriage details, including Banns, but there is something on a glaring problem here. The bride's name is Sarah Maybey, and it is not the spelling of the surname. On Ancestry, Sarah appears to be associated with Martha as one in the same person. However, I have yet to find definitive evidence as to why this association has been made, let alone that it is correct.
The record remains not validated.
I have started to build the tree branches under this couple in the hope of finding more information, including DNA traces which may prove the link. It may be a case that there are too many generations between any tester and the couple.
Death
Burial
1762 William
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
William Mabey
1762–1856
Birth 1762 • Hampshire, England
Death 29 APR 1856 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
No Prime data yet found
1763
No record yet found
1764 Susan
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Susan Mabey
1764–1764
Birth 17 JAN 1764 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 10 MAR 1764 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby
May 4 Susan. D. of Willm & Anne Maby
May 4, 1764 Susan Daughter of William & Anne Maby
Again, Maby is not Mabey but is similar.
At least the parents are the expected William and Ann.
1765
1766
No record yet found
1767
No record yet found
1768 Joseph
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Joseph Mabey
1768–1856
Birth 1768 • Eling, Hampshire, England
Death 1856 • Romsey, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey
Sep 12 Joseph. S, of Willm. & Anne Mabey
Sep 12, 1768, Joseph Son of William & Anne Mabey.
1769
No record yet found
1770
No record yet found
1771 John
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
John Mabey
1771–1856
Birth BEF. 17 JAN 1771 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 24 APR 1856 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
John Son of William & Anne Mabey
Jan 17 Jno S of William & Anne Mabey
Jan 17, 1771 John Son of William & Anne Mabey
1772
No record yet found
1773 Richard
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Richard Mabey
1773–1835
Birth BEF. 31 MAY 1773 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 28 JAN 1835 • Romsey, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey
May 31 Richd S. of Wm & Anne Mabey
May 31, 1773 Richard Son of William & Anne Mabey
1774
No record yet found
1775 Milly
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Milly Mabey
1775–1782
Birth BEF. 30 AUG 1775 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death BEF. 4 JUN 1782 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
From Discovery above
Birth
Currently assumed to be just before Baptism
Baptism
Milly Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Aug 30 Milly, D. of Willm & Ann Mabey
Aug 30, 1775 Milly Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
1776
No record yet found
1777
No record yet found
1778 Mary
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Mary Mabey
1778–1800
Birth BEF. 15 FEB 1778 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death 1800 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
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Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
Feb 15 Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
Feb 15, 1778 Mary Daughter of William and Ann Mabey
1779
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1780 Susan
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Susan Mabey
1780–
Birth BEF. 17 SEP 1780 • Nursling, Hampshire, , England,
Death Unknown
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Susan Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Sep 17 Susan, D. of William & Ann Mabey
Sep 17, 1780 Susan Daughter of William & Ann Mabey
Second use of the name Susan in this family, which implies the first Susan died before this year.
1781 Charlotte
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Charlotte Mabey
1781–
Birth 1781 • Hampshire, England
Death Unknown
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1782 Elizabeth
From my Ancestry Hurst Family Tree
Elizabeth Mabey
1782–1843
Birth BEF. 17 NOV 1782 • Nursling, Hampshire, England
Death ABT. 1843
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Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Novr 17. Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Nov 17, 1782 Elizabeth Daughter of William & Anne Maybe
Note surname written as Maybe not Mabey. Assumed to be the same family.
Another copy within the same Register, fortunately with the same information.
1783
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1784
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1785
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Her Parents
Ann Penny nee Eldridge and James Penny's children's Records.
Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found. They had ?????? children in ???????? years.
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1758
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1759 John
John Penny
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1760
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1761
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1762
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1763
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1764 Richard
Richard Penny
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1765
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1766
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1767
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1768 Ann
Ann Penny
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1769
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1770
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1771
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1772
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1773
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1774
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1775
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1776 Joseph and Mary
Joseph Penny
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Mary Penny
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1777
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1778
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1779
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1780
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1781
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1782
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1783
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1784
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1785
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Mary Mabey nee Penny and John Mabey children's Baptism Records.
Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found.
1795 John
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1796
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1797 George
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1797
George Son of John & Mary Maybey
April 23 George S. of John & Mary Maybey
Apr 23, 1797 George Son of John & Mary Maybey
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1798
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1799 William
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1800
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1801
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1802
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1803
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1804
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1805
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1806
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1807
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1808
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1809
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1810
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1811
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1812
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1813
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1814
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1815
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1816
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Hampshire
The county of Hampshire, sometimes known as Southamptonshire
County map of Parishes - Hampshire
Extract from Great Britain, Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, from Ancestry
Same map but in more detail
The same map but zoomed in and split into four parts for ease of use.
There is a vertical overlap on each segment to try to avoid the difficulty of interpreting the information, reading at the joints.
At one time this was done with mouse rollover, but that no longer consistently works on all browsers, so back to static.
Somerset
The county of Somerset
Greenwood Atlas Somerset
County map of Parishes - Somerset
Extract from Great Britain, Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, from Ancestry
The same map but zoomed in and split into three parts for ease of use.
There is a vertical overlap on each segment to try to avoid the difficulty of interpreting the information, reading at the joints.
Rockbourne
Parish of Rockbourne Hampshire
Rochesburna (xi cent.); Rechesburna, Rochesburna (xii cent.); Rokeburn (xiii cent.); Rogborne (xvii cent.). Rockbourne contains about 3,923½ acres, of which 2,029 acres are arable land, 1,039½ acres permanent grass and 302¼ acres woods and plantations. (fn. 1) Rockbourne Down, in the north-west of the parish, and Knoll Down, which extends over the borders of Damerham, are in some places over 300 ft. high. The lowest part of the parish is along the banks of the little stream known as Sweatfords Water, which rises in Rockbourne Down and flows straight through the village by the side of the main street. The soil is sand, clay, gravel and chalk on a subsoil of chalk.
NLS OS 1" Hills Old Map Rockbourne Hampshire
I have added annotation to the map regarding the towns of Salisbury, Winchester, and Southampton, to aid visual location finding.
Rockbourne is approximately three miles NNW of Fordingbridge in the New Forest.
NLS OS 25" Old Map Rockbourne Hampshire - Hampshire and Isle of Wight LIV.10 Revised: 1908, Published: 1909
NLS OS 25" Old Map Manor Farm Rockbourne Hampshire - Hampshire and Isle of Wight LIV.10 Revised: 1908, Published: 1909
It appears that there was a Monastery at Rockbourne at one time. The rectory seems to be as big as the St. Andrew's Church, so presumably there was a good living to be had by the Rector in this very rural community.
Sweatfords Water flows through Rockbourne village, broadly in line with the main road. It is a tributary of the River Avon, which it joins at Fordingbridge.
A little South of Rockbourne village lies West Park country house. Unfortunately, the house was demolished in 1948 following damage sustained during WWII. Further information about the estate can be seen on Hampshire County Council site. According to British History Online, West Park was the property of Sir Eyre Coote. The park extends into South Damerham parish.
The village consists chiefly of one street almost half a mile long. The church is in the north-east of the main street Close to the church, adjoining the north side of the churchyard, is a very interesting group of buildings, consisting of a small L-shaped 14th-century house, now used as part of a modern farm-house, the remains of a large Elizabethan or Jacobean house a short distance to the east, a 13th-century chapel near its south-east angle, and a large 15th-century barn running northward from the chapel. The barn has two large waggon-porches, and at the north end has been divided into two stories for use as living rooms; the chapel is now used as a barn, and its most interesting feature is a north doorway with a cinquefoiled head. The buildings are doubtless manorial, the story of the existence of a leper hospital on the site being quite unfounded.
There is evidence of Roman occupation in the area, and Rockbourne was mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086.
Rockbourne
Land of King William
Households
Households: 4 villagers. 20 smallholders.
Land and resources
Ploughland: 2 lord's plough teams. 3 men's plough teams.
Other resources: Meadow 3 acres.
Owners
Tenant-in-chief in 1086: King William.
Lord in 1086: King William.
Lord in 1066: King Edward.
Eling overview
Eling Overview
Eling Hampshire
Eling a small village and town, as well as a large parish on the banks of the River Test opposite Southampton, and adjacent to the New Forest, in the county of Hampshire, sometimes known as Southamptonshire, or County of Southampton.
Bronze Age 1500BC
A Bronze Age Settlement to the North of the Town was discovered when the Testwood Lakes were excavated. A jetty, bridge and dagger were all found dating from that period.
The town has a history back to before Bronze Age times. It is thought the name Eling probably derives from Edlas’s people, or Edlingas as it appeared in the Domesday Book.
Domesday Book 1066-1086
Eling was a settlement in Domesday Book, in the hundred of Redbridge and the county of Hampshire.
It had a recorded population of 69 households in 1086, putting it in the largest 20% of settlements recorded in Domesday.
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Land of King William
Households
- Households: 13 villagers. 43 smallholders. 13 slaves.
Land and resources
- Ploughland: 20 ploughlands. 5 lord's plough teams. 7 men's plough teams.
- Other resources: Meadow 125 acres. Woodland 20 swine render;in Forest. 2 mills, value 1 pound 5 shillings. 1 fishery. 1 salthouse. 1 church. 0.5 church lands.
Valuation
- Annual value to lord: 20 pounds in 1086; 38 pounds 8 shillings and 2 pence when acquired by the 1086 owner; 38 pounds 8 shillings and 2 pence in 1066.
Owners
- Tenant-in-chief in 1086: King William.
- Lord in 1086: King William.
- Lord in 1066: King Edward.
Other information
- Partially waste in 1086.
- Phillimore reference: Hampshire 1,27
Hampshire Parishes - Eling Parish 1537
Original data;
Smith, Cecil R. Humphery. The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers. Digitized images. Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies, Canterbury, Kent, England. From Ancestry
County map of Parishes - Hampshire
Extract from Great Britain, Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, from Ancestry
Same map but in more detail
The same map but zoomed in and split into four parts for ease of use.
There is a vertical overlap on each segment to try to avoid the difficulty of interpreting the information, reading at the joints.
At one time this was done with mouse rollover, but that no longer consistently works on all browsers, so back to static.
The above map is an extract of the The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers for Hampshire. Of particular interest, the Parishes of Eling - 1537, Southampton, Hound 1660, and South Stonham 1663.
Southampton contains the following parishes;
- All Saints - 1650
- Holy Rood - 1653
- SS, Lawrence and John, sometimes written as St Lawrence and St John - 1754
- St Mary - 1675
- St Mary Extra - 1671 (Other side of the River Itchen)
- St Michael - 1552
- Southampton Common, marked as M, extra-parochial.
The dates are not when the parishes were formed but as it states by the County Title, the dates of the commencement of Registers of Parishes formed before 1832.
I think that may be expanded to dates of registers still in existence.
Old Hampshire Maps
The website for Old Hampshire Maps and Other Historic Resources is a most excellent source of information which I often refer to.
I normally click on the top left icon, Old Hampshire Mapped, but believe that the one next to it on the right is more extensive and gets to the same maps and more.
This section could be called an indulgence to my lifelong fascination with maps and travel. Maps can tell you so much more than just how to get from A to B. Maps over time add to so much more.
Generally, the maps refer to Eling the settlement as opposed to the much larger parish. Something in the history must have given Eling some significance.
Saxton 1575
Saxton's map of Hampshire 1575
Extract from the Old Hampshire Mapped website about Saxton's map.
Map, hand coloured copper plate engraving, Southamtoniae, ie Hampshire, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, engraved by Leonard Terwoort, Antwerp, Netherlands, published by Christopher Saxton, map maker, London? about 1575.
Published in the Atlas of England and Wales; it was usually issued in hand coloured form; measurements and notes made in the field were worked up later, with the help of earlier manuscript maps if available; Saxton almost certainly used the rudimentary triangulation techniques first described by the cartographer Frisius, Belgium, 1533.
Hills are drawn in profile to provide a general impression of the local topography, while named settlements are shown by a variety of symbols including a church with tower; rivers, coastline, some bridges, deer parks and woods are all included; the most obvious omission on Saxton's maps, to our eyes, are roads, which were not included on general county maps until the 1690s.
The map '... provides us with our first english example of accurate cartography': Colonel Close: 1930:: Hampshire Field Club.
Saxton's county maps were engraved by Ryther, Hogenberg, Reynolds, Terwoort and Scatter.
Direct link to Eling.(Settlement)
The ancient settlement of Eling circled in blue, to help locate it.
Zoomed in some more on the same map. Showing from the New Forest, Eling, Southampton, across to the Hamble.
Norden 1595
Norden's Hampshire 1595
A map of Hampshire, including the Hundreds of the time. Remembering that a Hundred was an administrative area, part of and smaller than a County, and bigger than, and containing multiple Parishes.
The origin of the division of counties into hundreds is described by the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) as "exceedingly obscure". It may once have referred to an area of 100 hides; in early Anglo-Saxon England a hide was the amount of land farmed by and required to support a peasant family, but by the eleventh century in many areas it supported four families. Alternatively the hundred may have been an area originally settled by one "hundred" men at arms, or the area liable to provide one "hundred" men under arms.
Either way, a huge area of land for such a small population.
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Details
Eling is within the Hundred of Redbridge. Indicated on this map as 21. Fortunately, some of the hundreds have boundaries marked in red on this copy of the map, and 21 is one of them.
From this map it appears that the Hundred of Redbridge, at the time, extended North as far as Romsey, with its town and Abbey, including the Broadlands Estate, and South just past Elinge, on level with Lyndhurst. Note the spelling of Eling with an e at the end.
According to the Key or 'Explanation of the Map' the icon attributed to Elinge appears to be that of a Parish. This map is dated from 1595 and from elsewhere Parish Records commenced in 1537, which obviously predates the map.
Taylor's Hampshire 1759
Taylor's Hampshire 1759 - Section 33.
Circled in green, Grove Place, in Nursling, is not part of this story, but does get a mention elsewhere on this site. Eling, the settlement, circled in blue, is the centre of attention. Eling the parish, takes up a large portion of the map, and the Hundred of Redbridge takes up even more. Extending to Romsey
Copped Thorn Common and Copped Thorn are circled in red, and turn up later in our story, under a slightly changed name.
I will have to look up house 440 at Poltons. It is interesting that Great Testwood carries the same number. Poltons is now known as Paultons Park - Home of Peppa Pig World. How things change.
The estate can be traced back to 1086 where the ‘Paulet’ manor was in the possession of Glastonbury Abbey. The house became derelict and burned down in a great fire on 5 November 1963. Click the link to read about the Estate's History.
The above only looks at Section 33 of Taylor's Map of Hampshire. If you want to look at the whole map, which is very decorated, follow the link to the article Taylor's Map of Hampshire 1759 which opens in a new window.
Eling Parish Split in three 1837-1846
Ancient Parish of Eling
The Parish of Eling was divided, which is understandable, as it was a huge area, and would have had a growing population. Initially into, South to North, Marchwood, (1846), Ealing (Ancient) and North Eling (1837), .
The maps are from FamilySearch.
North Eling, blue wash, Eling, mouve, Marchwood, yellow.
Eling - re-sized
First the map with the revised size Eling parish as 1 and the newly formed North Eling as 2. Marchwood is also formed from the Ancient Parish of Ealing.
Eling is an Ancient Parish in the county of Hampshire
Other places include: Wigley, Wade, Testwood, Tatchbury, South Eling, Rumbridge, Ower, Lopperwood, Langley, Lamb's Corner, Ironshill Walk, Ipley Farm, Durley, Denny Lodge Walk, Colebury, Castle Malwood Walk, Beechwood, Bauldoxfee, Bistern and Bartley, Bartley Regis, Ashurst Walk, and Ashurst Lodge and Grounds.
Parish records begin in 1537 and Bishops Transcripts 1701.
Non-Church of England denominations identified in Eling include: Independent/Congregational and Wesleyan Methodist.
I have transcribed the image, which is clearly legible sat here, mainly to provide searchable text, but hopefully also to provide the information irrespective of the devise used to view this article.
North Eling
North Eling is an Ecclesiastical Parish in the county of Hampshire, created in 1837 from Eling Ancient Parish.
Parish records begin in 1834 and Bishops Transcripts 1838. Interesting that the Parish records commence before the creation of the parish. No non-Church of England denominations have been identified for North Eling.
Jurisdictions;
- Place; North Eling
- County; Hampshire
- Civil Registration District; New Forest
- Probate Court; Courts of the Bishop (Episcopal Consistory) and Archdeaconry of Winchester.
- Diocese; Winchester
- Rural Deanery; Southampton
- Poor Law Union; New Forest
- Hundred; Redbridge
- Province; Canterbury
All the Jurisdictions apart from the place are the same for all three parishes.
Marchwood
Nine years after the division of the Ancient Parish of Eling to create North Eling, a further split to create the Parish of Marchwood.
Marchwood is an Ecclesiastical Parish in the county of Hampshire, created in 1846 from chapelry in Ealing Ancient Parish.
Other places in the parish include: Decoy Pond.
Parish records begin in 1843 and Bishops Transcripts 1843. Interesting that the Parish records commence before the creation of the parish.
Independent/Congregational is the only identified non-Church of England denomination in Marchwood.
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The Vicarage Eling
The Vicarage, Eling Hill, Eling, Hampshire, England.
The vicarage, Eling Hill is a recuring address for some Penny and Eldridge families, according to some other peoples Trees.
The vicarage of St Mary's aka St Mary the Virgin church is adjacent to the marker on the above map.
Although, on these OS 25" Maps, there is another Vicarage slightly further along Eling Hill, opposite Elinghill Farm.
Andover - old
Andover
Andover is an Ancient Parish and a market town in the county of Hampshire. Foxcott is a chapelry of Andover.
Other places in the parish include: King’s Enham, Hatherden, Enham Kings, Charlton, Woodhouse, Wildhern, Swanhill, Smannell, and Little London.
Alternative names: Andover With Foxcott
Parish church:
Parish registers begin:
Parish registers: 1587
Bishop’s Transcripts: 1703
Nonconformists include: Baptist, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Independent/Congregational, Particular Baptist, Primitive Methodist, Society of Friends/Quaker, and Wesleyan Methodist.
Jumping back in time to closer to that of Abraham Hurst, Taylor's Map of Hampshire 1759.
Milne's Map of Hampshire 1791, Andover and surrounding area.
Jumping forward out of the period of Abraham Hurst, which ended in 1777, above is an OS Original Series Map at about 1817. A little more detail, but not a huge change in the size of Andover.
The Greenwood 1826 Map of Hampshire, Andover and area, included here just to complete the set of Old Maps of Hampshire with a scale of approximately one Inch. Perhaps a little clearer as it is in colour.
Click on any of the above maps to view them at source, Old Hampshire Mapped. There are a lot more maps to see there.
Broughton and Houghton
Broughton is 10 to 11 miles, about 4hrs walking, away from Andover depending on which route taken, and is less than 3 miles from Houghton, only 1 hour walking. Unfortunately Google Maps does not yet have an option for riding a horse or horse and carriage, but somewhat quicker that walking
Houghton is around 10 miles, slightly less than 4hrs walking, away from Andover depending on which route taken.
The Parishes of Broughton and Houghton are both small and adjacent to one another.
The above is a screenshot of the current ESRI Church of England (CoE) Parish Map, centred on Broughton. On the live map there is a lot of statistical information about the Parish in the current time. Click on the image to go to the live map. The web address is to this image,but it may automatically redirect you London. If this is the case search for Broughton, Test Valley, Hampshire, England, GBR or Houghton, Test Valley, Hampshire, England, GBR
Not very relevant to the issue at hand, in the mid 1700's but interesting.
Still not the 1700's but a very much closer representation in Old OS maps.
A National Library of Scotland Georeferenced tiled Map with both Broughton and Houghton, both circled in blue, showing their relative positions. Just two miles as the crow flies. That is just the villages though as the parishes abut residences on either side of the parish boundary could be even closer.
An image of an Old OS Sheet map showing the village of Broughton, beside Wallop Brook, a tributary of the River Test.
An image of an Old OS map showing the village of Houghton and the River Test, on its way to Romsey, Millbrook, and Southampton.
An image of an Old OS map showing a closer view of the centre of the village of Broughton and the Parish Church of St. Mary's.
An image of an Old OS Sheet map showing a closer view of the centre of the village of Houghton and the Parish Church of All Saints'
Pittleworth, Bossington
Pittleworth is a farm and manor in a Parish South of Houghton called Bossington
Buckholt, Broughton
Buckholt Farm and Buckholt, Broughton, Hampshire
The entry for the baptism of Sarah Hurst 1781 referred to Abraham and Sarah Hurst of Buckholt. Sometimes that would refer to a place and other-times a Farm. There are not a lot of building in the area of Buckholt and no apparent hamlet or village so it could easily be referring to Buckholt Farm.
Conclusion
Conclusion
Key data about John Mabey and his family.
Dates
Key Dates
| Name | Birth | Baptism | Marriage | Death | Interval between children | Mothers age at birth |
| John Mabey | 17th January 1771 | 3rd March 1794 | (Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d) | |||
| Mary Penny | 3rd March 1794 | |||||
| (Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d) | 27 years, 9 months, 26 days | |||||
| 1 year, 1 month, 7 days | 28 years, 11 months, 1 day | |||||
Data Sources / Evidence
Key Data Sources / Evidence
| Baptism | Census | ||||||||||||
| Name | Birth | Record |
Parish Image |
1841 |
1851 |
1861 |
1871 |
1881 |
1891 |
1901 |
1911 |
Death | |
| John Mabey | X | Charwoman | |||||||||||
| Mary Penny | X | -- | -- | -- | Carman | ||||||||
| X | X | X | -- | -- | |||||||||
| -- | -- | Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer | |||||||||||
| -- | -- | Farrier, Fish Monger | |||||||||||
| -- | -- | Seaman, Dock labourer | |||||||||||
| -- | -- | Charwoman | |||||||||||
| -- | -- | ||||||||||||
| -- | -- | ||||||||||||
| -- | -- | ||||||||||||
Places of Interest
Places of Interest
| Place | Event | Date | Note |
| Birth | |||
| Baptism | |||
| . | Census 1841 | ||
| Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex | Marriage | ||
| Marriage | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Census 1851 | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Census 1861 | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | 13th February 1870 | ||
| Census 1871 | |||
| Census 1881 | |||
| Census 1891 | |||
| Death |
Tree
| William Mabey | Anne Long | James Penny | Ann Eldridge | |||||||
| 1761 Martha (Sarah) |
1762 William |
1764 Susan |
1768 Joseph |
1771 John |
child 1 | child 2 | child 3 | child 4 | child 5 | |
| 1773 Richard |
1775 Milly |
1778 Mary |
1780 Susan |
1781 Charlotte |
child 6 | child 7 | child 8 | child 9 | child 10 | |
| 1782 Elizabeth |
child 12 | child 13 | child 14 | child 15 | child 11 | child 12 | child 13 | child 14 | child 15 | |
| John Mabey | Mary Penny | |||||||||
| child 1 | child 2 | child 3 | child 4 | child 5 | child 6 | child 7 | child 8 | child 9 | child 10 | |
| next ancestor | or next ancestor | |||||||||
| child 1 | child 2 | child 3 | child 4 | child 5 | child 6 | child 7 | child 8 | child 9 | child 10 | |
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