Isaac Butcher
BIRTH 30 September 1791 • Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire, England
DEATH 11 January 1873 • Alresford, Hampshire, England
4th great-grandfather
Ancestry Synopsis at start.
When Isaac Butcher was born on 30 September 1791 in Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire, his father, Isaac, was 44 and his mother, Mary, was 34. He married Anne Winter on 17 January 1818 in Colemore, Hampshire. They had 11 children in 24 years. He died on 11 January 1873 in Alresford, having lived a long life of 81 years.
Of particular note in this article is the unravelling of the Marriage of Isaac Butcher to Anne Winter on 17 January 1818. To read about it straight away jump to the marriage tab.
Help
Help, introduction, information, and repeated segments
Introduction - Explanation
Discovery
I have decided to split the information about this person into two main sections. The first is discovery. Generally the first discovery is from Ancestry Trees and Hints. For the avoidance of repetition, I will not repeat that in the Discovery section for each person. Sometimes the lead maybe from MyHeritage, or other similar genealogy sites. Where that is the case, I will state so. Another lead could be DNA, including Ancestry's ThroughLines, again to be stated.
However, the main point of the discovery section is to create something of a story for the person and his or her life. A brief synopsis, sometimes over and above that created by Ancestry's AI.
Data Sheet
The next part is the Data Sheet. Designed to be the collection of all the records, and information found about the person. It can include records already shown in the Discovery Section, for completeness of the Data Sheet. However, although the template is structured for lots of possible information, I am sure that there will be times when there will be many gaps, which will be left so, just in case more information comes to light at a later time.
Structure
The structure of the family website is multifaceted. It depends of where you come into the site as to how transparent this is. The most simple page is that of a single person. More complicated is a single family, where there is a father and the articles within for associated people such as wife and children. The next level is multi-generation built around a hub, Articles within articles, generation after generation. With time it slowly grows. Each person within the growing mass, has a single focused article with a similar structure. This method, I think, gives structure to the reader, and to me.
This itself is a snippet which is frequently repeated, and not therefore specific.
Transcription of records is generally shown in this colour.
Census and Voting Registers
UK Census dates
UK Census dates from 1911Census.org;
- 1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
- 1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
- 1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
- 1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
- 1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
- 1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
- 1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
- 1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
- 1921 Census Sunday 19th June 1921
- 1931 Census Sunday 26th April 1931
- 1941 Census -- Not held - WWII --
- 1951 Census Sunday 8th April 1951
- 1961 Census Sunday 23rd April 1961
- 1971 Census Sunday 25th April 1971
- 1981 Census Sunday 5th April 1981
- 1991 Census Sunday 21st April 1991
- 2001 Census Sunday 29th April 2001
- 2011 Census Sunday 27th March 2011
- 2021 Census Sunday 21st March 2021
In March, 4; April, 12; June, 2.
- <1939 Register Friday 29th September 1939>
The Spelling of Surnames
It is commonly accepted that for the printed word, the spelling system became standardised by the end of the seventeenth century. Powerful influences had been the introduction of the printing press (with spelling conventions set by the printers) and the publication of dictionaries. This standardisation was not echoed in the recording of surnames. Famously, Shakespeare had 5 other variants of his name, in his lifetime. Indeed, standardisation did not arrive until the advent of mass literacy in the twentieth century.
In surname studies, there is a complicated relationship between pronunciation, orthography and, presumably, the influence of the standardisation conventions of printed text.
Discovery
Initial discovery
Most of the initial discovery appears to have come from other tree builders on Ancestry together with Ancestry Hints.
Research, general digging and discovery
DNA
From DNA matches in Ancestry
You (me) and Amanda Paris
Parish Records Bishop's Sutton
Parish Records Bishop's Sutton, Alresford, Hampshire, England
Bishop's Transcripts and Parish Records
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
The first entry in the Parish Register for Baptisms in Bishop's Sutton, starting January 1837.
The beginning of a page turn through the document to find baptisms within the family and others similar.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
I Samuel Maddock Vicar of the Parish of Bp Sutton in the County of Southampton do hereby solemnly declare that the several writings hereto annexed purporting to be the Copies of the Several Entries contained in the Several Register Books of Baptisms Marriages & Burials of the Parish or Chapelry aforesaid from the First day of January to the Thirty First of December inclusive and that no other Entry during such Period is contained in any such Books respectively are truly made according to the best of my knowledge and Belief
Signed S Maddock
It appears that this book is in fact Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858. A copy, hence the endorsement by the vicar. There are also the original Parish Registers Bishops Sutton 1813-1855.
In page turn it would be easy to do one book and then the other. However, from a readers perspective I suspect it will be easier to mix the books together so both records of a persons baptism can be seen together. I will have to annotate the images accordingly.
The Parish Record book has front pages, not just the start of records.
Parish Records Front Pages - Baptisms - Bishops Sutton 1813 - 1855
Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover
Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover
Bishop's Sutton Baptisms. Apr. 4, 1813 to Decr. 14. 1855
Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover i
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Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover i
1854
On Sunday next June 3rd and during the Summer Months, Devine Service will be celebrated in the Parish Church of Bp. Sutton at half past ten o'clock in the Morning & at Seven o'clock in the Evening.
The rite of Baptism will be administered to Infants on the first Sunday of Every Month at an Afternoon Service to Commence at 3 o'clock.
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Officiating Minister
Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover ii
1841. Bishop Sutton Church new Pews & more seats added - will now seat 324 persons -
Number of Houses in Sutton 112 = Inhabitants about 600
Plan of Gallery with Free Sittings built in Sutton Church 1831
Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover ii
Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover ii
A Grant of 25£ allowed from the Incorporated Society, through the kind interests of the Bp [Bishop] of Winchester who also contributed 15£ & c. _____ and the ArchBp of Canterbury 10£ & the same sum to Ropley ???
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Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover iii
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In the Year 1841 Sutton Church was repewed by a Plate & Subscriptions from the Vicar & other friends.
The following arrangement was afterwards made in reference to 3 Seats in the Chancel
At the request of Mr Loe, on account of his large family an exchange was made in sufferance, by the Vicar & Churchwardens' consent of the Seat erected by M. Rivers Esqr for that of the Lay Rector as it was an unoccupied pew _
The Pew lately occupied by Mr Loe's family having the words - "Rectors Pew" painted on the door ---
S. Maddock Vicar
May 7 -- 1851 ---- |
Parish Register Bishops Sutton Baptisms 1813 1855 Front Cover iv
The old Yew Tree in Bp Sutton Church Yard having been dead some Years, the Revd. S. Maddock removed it, & planted a young one at Christmas in the Year 1854; -- being the 37th Xmas of his ???
S Maddock
Jan 21st . 1855.
Ropley Vicarage
The printed Register of Baptisms Book includes a copy of the Act of Parliament which enforced it use.
Part of that below, shows that Revd S Maddock amended text to complete the annotation as used in the Bishop's Transcripts, as we have seen.
Location of the above church
OS 25 Old Map Bishops Sutton Church - Hampshire and Isle of Wight XLII.10 Revised: 1895, Published: 1896
Ropley Vicarage is mentioned in the Register of Baptism Bishop's Sutton.
OS 25 Old Map Ropley Church and Vicarage - Hampshire and Isle of Wight XLII.12 Revised: 1895, Published: 1896
OS 6 Old Map Ropley to Bishops Sutton with Alresford - Hampshire & Isle of Wight Sheet XLII.SE Revised: 1895, Published: 1897 and Hampshire & Isle of Wight Sheet XLII.SW Revised: 1894 to 1895, Published: 1897 and Hampshire & Isle of Wight Sheet XLII.NW Revised: 1894 to 1895, Published: 1897
Although much of the above is just an aside, found whilst turning pages of records instead of just searching for a specific person, there are some interesting pieces of information. The Rector appears to be living at the very large Ropley vicarage, perhaps serving both Ropley and Bishop's Sutton Churches, and therefore receiving both 'livings'
Baptisms are carried out on the first Sunday of each month. Meaning that in most cases, the birth of a person will have been in the month before. There will be exceptions. For ailing babies, they may have been baptised shortly after birth. I would expect to seen an entered into congregation note in that case. For elder children I would expect to see an age given in the Baptism record. As a rule of thumb, for an approximate date of birth, of the month before baptism will do until better information is found. Also it stops things like the birth, only a year, appearing after the baptism, a specific date, in a chronological list.
Birth and Baptism
Birth and Baptism
Parish Registers Bishops Sutton 1783-1812
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1791
Butcher, Isaac Son of Isaac & Mary Butcher was Born September 30 and Christened December 26, 1791 Registered ____ by me W. Howley.
Parents Issac and Mary Butcher
Parents
Parents
Parish Registers Bishops Sutton 1783-1812
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1791
Butcher, Isaac Son of Isaac & Mary Butcher was Born September 30 and Christened December 26, 1791 Registered ____ by me W. Howley.
From Isaac Butcher's baptism records his parents were Issac and Mary Butcher
Marriage
Marriage
England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837
Butcher, Isaac & Ann Winter 1818
Marriages solemnized in the Rarish of Colmar in the County of Southampton in the Year 1818 [Hampshire]
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| Isaac Butcher of this Parish of Colmar in the County of Southampton, Labourer | ||||||
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| Ann Winter of the parish of Colmar aforesaid in the County aforesaid, Widow | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns | with the Consent of | ||||
| this | Seventeenth Day of January in the Year One Thousand eight Hundred and eighteen | by me | Jas Cookson A.M.F.S.A | Rector | ||
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Isaac Butcher X his Mark | |||||
| Ann Winter X her Mark | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Richd Kemp | |||||
| James Sangridge X his Mark | ||||||
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Rector Colmer with Prior's Dean (29/09/1775 - 22/01/1835 ) - Cookson, James (1774 - 1835) Died in post.
OS 6 Map Bishops Sutton to Colemore - Hampshire & Isle of Wight Sheet XLIII.SW Revised: 1895, Published: 1897
Isaac was about 26 years of age when he married Ann.
Something to note. In the Marriage record he is recorded as being of the Parish of Colmar, now known as Colemore. Ann is also 26 years of age in January 1818. Her's is understandable, she is believed to have been born in Colmar. Her home Parish perhaps. Traditional to be married in the girl's home parish. However, Isaac was more likely to be of the Parish of Bishop's Sutton.
Perhaps there is a reason!
She is also described as being a Widow. Does this mean that her first married surname is Winter and her maiden name is something as yet un-discovered?
Is this the correct record for this family, or are there others which don't have the complication of being a widow and being out of parish. How did they meet, what were the circumstances?
Could this be Ann's earlier marriage, also in the Parish of Colmar? Nine years before.
Marriages solemnized in the Rarish of Colmar in the County of Southampton in the Year 1807 [Hampshire]
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| Banns of Marriage between | William Winter and Ann Phillips | |||||
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| Sepr 20 & 20 and Oct 4, 1807 | ||||||
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| The said William Winter of this Parish of Colmar, Labourer | ||||||
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| Ann Phillips of the parish of Colmar aforesaid, Spinster | ||||||
| were Married in this Church by | Banns | |||||
| this | Twelfth Day of October in the Year One Thousand eight Hundred and seven | by me | Jas Cookson A.M. | Rector | ||
| This Marriage was solemnized between us | Willm Winter X his Mark | |||||
| Ann Phillips X her Mark | ||||||
| In the Presence of | Anthony Brooman X his Mark | |||||
| Richd Kemp | ||||||
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Richard Kemp is witness on both occasions. This could be that he is connected to Ann Phillips, later Winter, or that he is part of the church and often signs as witness. Some more page turning should resolve that.
Next steps.
- I will add the William Winter Ann Phillips marriage to Anne Winter and rename her.
- I will disassociate her from her current parents, with Winter surname. To try and build more information about Ann Phillips.
- I will try to find any DNA matches which may either help prove or disprove this theory.
- I will also search for alternative records for the marriage of Isaac Butcher and Anne Winter which have them as bachelor and spinster.
- I will continue to write up the results here, so watch this space.
- I will start an article about William Winter.
The branch of the tree of William Winter and Ann Phillips, being developed for this test, has led to a DNA match, and a tree with DNA test, but no match from the Ancestry system and algorithms.
I will call the matched person, Living person B.
In living Person B's tree;-
Harriet Elizabeth Winter
Birth 15 JAN 1809 • Colemore, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
Death 6 MAY 1891 • Colemore, Petersfield, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
From that, I assume that more than one DNA traces cross at Harriet Elizabeth Winter.
Harriet Elizabeth Winter is a child of William Winter and Ann Phillips born in January 1809, nine years before the marriage of Isaac Butcher and Ann Winter, in 1818. So it seems to me that the DNA match to Living person B must come from Ann Phillips, not Isaac Butcher. This in turn suggests that Ann Phillips and Ann Winter are one in the same person.
This is a good result.
Harriott Winter Daugr of William and Ann Winter was Born 15 Jany 1809 and Christened 15 Feby 1809. Registered 16 Feb 1809 by me Jas Cookson A.M. Rector
It appears, that following William Winters death in 1813 Ann Winters nee Phillips was taken in by William's brother Benjamin Winter.
Colmar, County of Southampton - 1814
1814 Decr 25. No.8 Benjamin Son of Benjamin Winter and Ann Winter Single Woman, Abode Colmar, Father's Occupation Labourer
Benjamin Winter named as the father and not William Winter (Deceased) which may have been used for a posthumous baby.
I assume that the annotation 'Single Woman' indicates that they were not married, and that she was not married to someone else. She was a widow in 1814.
Wife's family
Wife's family
Wife's family (Willliam Bignell)
The below is from the entry in William Bignell article
Wife's family (William Bignell)
I started with the page turn I have described in Children and Other Families, which were built from those findings. However upon adding the first Butcher found in the Parish Records of Baptisms commencing 1813, I quickly found that it joined with part of my Ancestry Tree.
I will therefore structure this part of William's Wife's family using that knowledge, not just as the information is found.
From my Ancestry Tree
Isaac Butcher
Birth 30 SEP 1791 • Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, England
Death 11 JAN 1873 • Alresford, Hampshire, England
4th great-grandfather
William Bignell is my 3rd great-grandfather
There is a temptation just to copy this whole article and repurpose it to Isaac Butcher and place it as an article here.
However, that would be a book within a book. It would not only become more difficult to navigate and follow, but may impact web site performance, so much data at the same time.
So I will do the repurposing but just place a link to it, not embed it.
The link is. Well this is it!
The return link is;-
Children
Children from Isaac and Anne's marriage
Now for the records
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1841
No 464, Baptised April 11 [1841] Stephen to William & Mary Bignail, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labourer.
Other families
A Other Pertinent Families Noted
A Different family observed whilst doing the Register of Baptisms' page turn. For note and to avoid confusion between the several families. Became many families of interest.
Thomas & Caroline Bignall / Bignail
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1838
No 421, Baptised April 29 [1838] James to Thos & Caroline Bignall, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labr.
This baptism is before William and Mary married, and there is evidence of illegitimate children being annotated accordingly.
The parents are Thomas and Caroline.
This was found as part of a page turn, which identifies things to be excluded as well as included, and as such are useful.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1840
No 456, Baptised Octr 11 [1840] Charles to Thos & Caroline Bignail, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labr.
Another change in spelling of the surname by the Vicar, Bignall becomes Bignail. Only one letter changes.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1848
No 578, Baptised May 7 [1848] George to Thomas & Caroline Bignail, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labourer.
William & Jane Butcher
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1838
No 428, Baptised Augst 26 [1838] Emily to William & Jane Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Black Smithy
Nothing wrong or in conflict with Bignell, for this record. Married couple William and Jane Butcher. Possible relation to Mary Bignell nee Butcher but not explored yet.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1841
No 463, Baptised April 11 [1841] Harriet to William & Jane Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Blacksmith.
Same parents, abode and occupation.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Two for the price of one.
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1843
No 463, Baptised May 21st [1843] Maria to William & Jane Butcher, Abode Bp [Bishops] Sutton, Blacksmith.
No 492, Baptised June 4th [1843] James to Stephen & Emily Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labr.
463 continues the previous pattern.
492 appears to be another Butcher family, with parents Stephen and Emily Butcher instead of William and Jane.
I'll use this to create a new section.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1844
No 572d, Baptised May 7th [1844] Charlotte to William & Mary Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labr.
There is however a problem with this record. Charlotte's parents recorded as William and Mary, not William and Jane. That is if the surname is correct as being Butcher, is it another family. The occupation is stated as Labourer, whereas previously he was a Blacksmith.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1846
No 554 . Baptised June 15 [1846] William Porter to William & Jane Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Blacksmith
Stephen & Emily Butcher
Brought forward from above;-
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Two for the price of one.
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1843
No 463, Baptised May 21st [1843] Maria to William & Jane Butcher, Abode Bp [Bishops] Sutton, Blacksmith.
No 492, Baptised June 4th [1843] James to Stephen & Emily Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labr.
463 continues the previous pattern.
492 appears to be another Butcher family, with parents Stephen and Emily Butcher instead of William and Jane.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1845
No 527, Baptised March 30th [1845] William to Stephen & Emily Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labr..
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1849
No 605, Baptised June 3rd1849 Cornelius to Stephen & Emily Butcher, Abode B [Bishops] Sutton, Labr.
Stephen & Harriet Butcher
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1851
No 643, Baptised July 13th 1851 David to Stephen & Harriet Butcher, Abode Old Park, Labourer.
David & Charlotte Butcher
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1857
No 31, Baptised Sept 15 [1857] private William to David & Charlotte Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labourer.
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1858
No , Public Baptised Jan 10 [1858] having been privately baptised ??? William to David & Charlotte Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, Labourer.
Confirmation of previous Baptism above, and bringing into the congregation.
Martha Butcher
Bishops´ Transcripts Bishops Sutton 1837-1858
Bishop's Sutton, County of Southampton - 1852
No 675, Baptised Octr 31 [1852] Marianna illegitimate daughter of Martha Butcher, Abode [Bishops] Sutton, ----.
Death
Data Sheet
Data Sheet - Records, data, and general information about William Bignell and his family
Baptism
Found by page turning the images of the document instead of using search or hints. Slower, but then I can pick up changes in spelling and/or transcription errors.
An extract of the Baptism register for Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire, England.
On 14th August 1814, William, son of Thomas and Lucy Bignell was baptised. They resided in Bishop's Sutton, and his father was a Labourer.
Marriage
Marriage of William Bignell and Mary Butcher
The marriage in the parish church (of St Nicholas) in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, in the County of Southampton ( now known as the county of Hampshire)
On January 23 1841 William Bignail [Bignell], of full age, a bachelor, whose occupation was recorded as a Labourer residing in Bishop's Sutton, married;
Mary Butcher, of 20 years of age, a spinster, residing in Bishop's Sutton,
It was a Church of England marriage by Banns. There appears to be no explicit approval of the wedding in respect of Mary being only 20.
Their fathers were recorded as being Thomas Bignail [Bignell] and Isaac Butcher respectively, both Labourers.
Both William Bignail and Mary Butcher appear to have signed their own names, ie not annotated with marks or X.
The marriage was in the presence of James Butcher and Marianne Butcher, and conducted by the vicar, Samuel Maddock.
St Nicholas, Bishop’s Sutton
Census and Voting Registers
1841
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
An extract for the 1841 Census in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire.
The census on two pages, but we need to zoom in for the data we want. Initially for William Bignell, but right next door is an Isaac Butcher
Living in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire, William Bignell, perhaps sometimes transcribed as Bignett, aged 25. An Agricultural Labourer, born in the same county.
Also, Mary Bignell, aged 15, with her new born son, Stephen, aged 2 months, both born in the same county.
Estimated year of birth, 1816, 1826, and April 1841, respectively.
Before we talk about Mary Bignell being 15 and already being married and having a son, lets look at the family living next door, circled in yellow. Headed by Isaac Butcher, with presumably two children Sarah aged 14, and David aged 10.
It does appear that Isaac Butcher was Mary's father and she was present at his death according to his Death Certificate.
Isaac Butcher is recorded as being 45 in 1841, so his estimated year of birth 1796. Not quite the 1791 we are looking for. Is this a case of not knowing your are, or of miss-identification.
So really a case of marrying the girl next door for William Bignell, albeit, in perhaps questionable circumstances.
1851
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
An extract for the 1851 Census in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire.
Zoming in for more detail
The location is the village of Bishop's Sutton in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton
Isaac Butcher is Head of the household and he is a widower aged 59. His Son David lives with him and is aged 20. Both are labourers born in Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire.
Compared to the 1841 Census, David's age has increased by 10years as expected but Isaac's by 15. This would make his estimated year of birth 1792. Much closer to our 1791.
The William Bignell which lived next door in the 1841 census appears to have moved
William Bignell was head of the household, aged 35 and married. He was a labourer, which may have been agricultural. His estimated year of birth was 1816.
The family lived in North Side, Bishop's Sutton.
I wonder if North Side later became North Street? No, there are entries in the records for both. North Side is probably Northside Farm on Northside Lane.
A move away from the OS 25" Maps to show the relative position of Northside Farm to Bishop's Sutton and New Alresford. Also, using information on the 1861 Census, which starts at Rampscombe (Farm), [now Ranscombe Farm], circled in red, moves on to a number of properties in the Sutton Wood area, circled in green, before arriving at William Bignell and his family at Northside, circled in blue.
1861
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
An extract for the 1861 Census in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire.
The location is the village of Bishop's Sutton in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton Near the Blacksmith's shop.
This time, instead of David living with Isaac, his father, Isaac is living with David.
1871
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
1881
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
William Bignell died in 1885, and Mary Bignell died in 1906.
There is a record of a William Bignell in hospital in 1881 but I am not sure if it is the correct William Bignell
1891
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
William Bignell died in 1885, before this Census, and Mary Bignell died in 1906.
1901
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
William Bignell died in 1885, before this Census, and Mary Bignell died in 1906.
1911
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
William Bignell died in 1885, and Mary Bignell died in 1906, both
Children
??? nee ??? and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.
Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found.
1838 X Mary Ann X
Mary Ann Bignell
Not very sure about this entry. 1838 was before William and Mary were married, and Mary was only about 17 years of age. Also, so far I only have one source for this record, a tree on Ancestry. The same name is used later in the family and Mary Ann is not included in the 1841 Census, which suggests that she died before 1841.
Lets look at the 1841 census for the parish of St. Mary Kalendar, Winchester. Not a long way away from Bishop's Sutton but very different.
This page is for St Peter Street and North Walls, which is in the centre of the City of Winchester, near the Cathedral.
So the first thing to note is that these are two different families, one in City Centre the other in a rural community. One is of independent means, which is wealthy, the other is employed as an Agricultural Labourer.
They are headed by a person named William Bignell, in both instances.
The City William Bignell shares his home with two twenty year old ladies, named Amelia and Mary Ann. Unfortunately the 1841 Census did not record the relationship between entries, so we can only speculate. That is until we look at the 1851 Census record.
They are followed in the records by two children, a son William Bignell, aged 5, and a daughter Mary Ann, aged 3. Their respective estimated birth years are, 1836 and 1838. The latter is the same as the Mary Ann Bignell purported to be part of the family, the subject of this article.
On the whole, in the absence of any confirming information, I think that the Mary Ann Bignall in the Winchester record is probably the source of the confusion, and is not part of this family.
I will leave the notes here for others to read or challenge, but annotate the tab with an "X" at each end of her name.
Mary Ann Bignell daughter of William Bignell and Amelia Gillingham.
Based on the confusion I have decided to create part of this branch, albeit as an unattached branch, within Ancestry. Hopefully this will also reduce the number of erroneous hints I receive within Ancestry for the subject of this article. I will refer to this William Bignell with the suffix (city)
Although the 1841 Census does not state who is William Bignell's wife, it seems to be Amelia Gillingham. Note should also be made that the next line on the 1841 Census, (below the above image, not shown here.) is a Mary Newlyn, of either 30 or 80 years of age. William Bignell's (city) mother is thought to be Sarah Bignell nee Newlyn, and his father James Bignell.
To add to the confusion, below is an extract of the Hampshire Allegations for Marriage Licences, 1689-1837. Now, this list is only Licences so presumably, it excludes marriage by Banns.
There are two entries for Bignell's of Itchen Abbas, one;
- Jonathan Bignell of Itchen-Abbas, aged 23, a batchelor, and Joan Wickham, of New Alresford, aged 25, a spinster, licenced to marry at Weeke, St Maurice, or St Thomas, 15 June 1690.
- William Bignell of Itchen-Abbas, aged 21, a batchelor, and Eliza Gillingham, of St John, Winchester, aged 20, a spinster, with Consent of her father James Gillingham, licenced to marry at I. A., 19 June 1835. Aff.
At least we can ignore the first entry for this purpose as at 1690, it is out of our date range.
William Bignell of Itchen Abbas (IA), who married Eliza Gillingham in 1835, as bachelor and spinster, with Eliza's father being James. Are Eliza and Amelia the same person, or perhaps sisters. Undecided at the moment.
By the 1871 Census the family had moved to Leeds Street, Sandown on the Isle of Wight, William Bignell (city) had a recorded profession of 'Income mainly from houses'. Still a wealthy family. Which is again confirmed by the Probate record of Amelia Gillingham Bignell.
There is also record of a William Bignell married to a Amelia Gillingham in 1st Q 1841 Portsea Island, Hampshire, England. Perhaps relevant, but why in Portsmouth?
I think that the above fairly conclusively separates the two families, or perhaps three. Need to get back to William Bignall of Bishop's Sutton now.
1841 Stephen
1842
No record yet found
1843 Harry
1844 Charlotte
1845
No record yet found
1846 Sarah Ann
1846 Thomas
1847
No record yet found
1848
No record yet found
1849 Mary Ann
1850
No record yet found
1851
No record yet found
1852 Dorcas
1853
No record yet found
1854 Olive
1855
No record yet found
1856 Ellen
1857
No record yet found
1858
No record yet found
1859
No record yet found
1860
No record yet found
1861
No record yet found
Work and locations
Work
Occupation or Profession
On January 23 1841 William Bignail [Bignell], of full age, a bachelor, whose occupation was recorded as a Labourer residing in Bishop's Sutton, married Mary Butcher, of 20 years of age, a spinster, residing in Bishop's Sutton,
Work in the 1841 Census was recorded as Agricultural Labourer.
Work in the 1851 Census was recorded as Labourer.
Work in the 1861 Census was recorded as Agricultural Labourer.
Work in the 1871 Census was recorded as Agricultural Labourer.
County and Parishes
County, Civil Registration Districts (CRD) and Parishes
England Jurisdictions 1851
For more information about Civil Registration Districts (CRD) and other England Jurisdictions 1851 go to my England Jurisdictions 1851 collection.
South Central England, Civil Registration Districts in Hampshire
England Jurisdictions 1851 - CRD SCE Hampshire East
England Jurisdictions 1851 - CRD Alresford
England Jurisdictions 1851 - Bishop's Sutton
Extract from FamilySearch England Jurisdictions 1851. This link may not work if you don't have a subscription to FamilySearch
Then search for Bishops Sutton. Use the Key to select which boundaries you wish to see.
Ordnance Survey (OS) Mapping
OS Old Maps 25 inch Bishops Sutton Parish Boundary
Marked in yellow with boundary stones with grey markers.
Also, in green places mentioned in the 1851 Census. Markers in light blue for building outside the village of Bishop's Sutton.
There is one place mentioned in the 1851 Census, 'Coffee Mart' which I have not yet located. and one light blue marker which I have not found on the Enumerators route. Perhaps it is the place not yet found. Most of the Census places are described as 'village'. 'Coffee Mart' does seem to be a strange place name, but hat is what the writing looks like to me.
OS 25 Old Map Bishops Sutton Parish Boundary Hampshire with info from 1851 Census - Hampshire and Isle of Wight XLII.11 Revised: 1895, Published: 1896 and others in the area.
Unfortunately, the extra information is not shown on the linked zoomable map.
The only way I can help help with that is to reproduce the above map as several tiles.
The pink marker is North Street, outside of the parish, not to be confused with North Side, a farm within the parish.
The tiles do overlap and hopefully it is clear where each one goes. It gives and idea of the position and going to the source and zooming further will reveal more.
The tile reconstructed to one image. It may be clearer than the first image, with more visible detail, but is still not zoomable.
An alternative to the tiles of the Old OS 25" Maps is the same information, built on the OS Maps, as an overlay to a current Google Map. Remember the source map was Hampshire and Isle of Wight XLII.11 Revised: 1895, Published: 1896 and others in the area.
The Parish Boundary has probably changed since then as well as some of the other information.
Bishop's Sutton
Bishop's Sutton, near Alresford, Hampshire, England
New Alresford is less than 1 1/2 miles away from Bishop's Sutton. Old Alresford is on the Northern edge of of the above map, and Upton Park is further North, just off the map.
New Alresford was founded in the 12th/13th century, so isn't quite new any more.
Bishop's Sutton is located within the hundred of Bishop's Sutton.
Google Maps showing New Alresford, Bishops Sutton, Old Alresford, and Upton Park, containing Upton House.
OS Old Maps 25 inch Bishops Sutton Parish Boundary
Marked in yellow with boundary stones with grey markers.
Also, in green places mentioned in the 1851 Census. Markers in light blue for building outside the village of Bishop's Sutton.
There is one place mentioned in the 1851 Census, 'Coffee Mart' which I have not yet located. and one light blue marker which I have not found on the Enumerators route. Perhaps it is the place not yet found. Most of the Census places are described as 'village'. 'Coffee Mart' does seem to be a strange place name, but hat is what the writing looks like to me.
OS 25 Old Map Bishops Sutton Parish Boundary Hampshire with info from 1851 Census - Hampshire and Isle of Wight XLII.11 Revised: 1895, Published: 1896 and others in the area.
Unfortunately, the extra information is not shown on the linked zoomable map.
The only way I can help help with that is to reproduce the above map as several tiles.
The pink marker is North Street, outside of the parish, not to be confused with North Side, a farm within the parish.
The tiles do overlap and hopefully it is clear where each one goes. It gives and idea of the position and going to the source and zooming further will reveal more.
The tile reconstructed to one image. It may be clearer than the first image, with more visible detail, but is still not zoomable.
An alternative to the tiles of the Old OS 25" Maps is the same information, built on the OS Maps, as an overlay to a current Google Map. Remember the source map was Hampshire and Isle of Wight XLII.11 Revised: 1895, Published: 1896 and others in the area.
The Parish Boundary has probably changed since then as well as some of the other information.
Northside Farm
Northside Farm, Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire
I wonder if North Side later became North Street? No, there are entries in the records for both. North Side is probably Northside Farm on Northside Lane.
A move away from the OS 25" Maps to show the relative position of Northside Farm to Bishop's Sutton and New Alresford. Also, using information on the 1861 Census, which starts at Rampscombe (Farm), [now Ranscombe Farm], circled in red, moves on to a number of properties in the Sutton Wood area, circled in green, before arriving at William Bignell and his family at Northside, circled in blue.
Google Maps image of Northside Ln, Bishop's Sutton, Alresford SO24 9SR. Some of the old farm buildings in the background may go back as far as 1861, but I doubt it. I am confident that the farm house is not the original dwelling.
Information from The Genealogist
From the Tithe Apportionment and Map
- Landowner; Henry Campbell Esquires & John Wyndham Esquires
- Occupier; Robert Minchin
- Parish; Bishop's Sutton
- County; Hampshire
- Original Date; 31st December 1847
- Description of Land; Cottage Garden Yard Barn &C
- Quantities In Statute Measure; 0,1,25
- Plot 121
For me, and I hope this works for you, roll your mouse over the Tithe Map image above, and it will show an OS Map overlay, with Northside Farm in the same place as Plot 121.
But just in case it does not work, below is the second image.
Robert Minchin is described as the occupier in the Tithe Apportionment, but that would be first layer occupier, There could be a number of sub-lets before it gets to William Bignell, who was the physical occupier on the day of the 1851 Census, which is relatively close to the 1847 date of the Tithe Apportionment.
From the summary of the Tithe Apportionment for Bishop's Sutton, Robert Minchin is the primary occupier of a lot more than Plot 121, Northside Farm, he was farming 875a 2r 28p, in respect of the Landowner, John Henry Campbell Wyndham Esquire.
From the 1861 Census, image in Stephen Bignell's section.
The head of the family at Sutton Farm is George Judd, Male, age 46, estimated year of birth 1815 and place of birth Winterslow, Wiltshire, England. He is a farmer of 875 acres, employing 8 men and 3 boys.
Presumably, George Judd is either the next level down in terms of renting from the landowner, or the progress of time from 1847 to 1861, a period of 14 years. which would have made George Judd 32 years of age at the time of the Tithe Apportionment.However, this does not resolve the whereabouts of Sutton Farm, which is the next property after Northside Farm according to the 1861 Census. Could Sutton Farm be the same as Sutton Manor Farm?
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Sutton Farm / Manor Farm
In search of Sutton Farm, as recorded in the 1861 Census of Bishop's Sutton
Sutton Manor Farm is outlined in the Hampshire CC document. That place was at one time called Church Farm on the old OS 25" Map. I think that rules out the Sutton Farm mentioned in the 1861 Census being the same place as the Sutton Manor Farm of 2017.
From the Tithe Apportionment and Map Sutton Manor Farm / Church Farm was Plot 336.
- Landowner; Charles Pain Esquire
- Occupier; Charles Pain Esquire
- Parish; Bishop's Sutton
- County; Hampshire
- Original Date; 31st December 1847
- Description of Land; The Homestead
- Quantities In Statute Measure; 1,2,14
- Plot; 336
This plot has a different Landowner and Occupier, and Charles Pain has 592a 0r 24p according to the Tithe Apportionment Summary, not the 875 acres of Sutton Farm.
I think a definitive location of Sutton Farm will elude us for some time yet.
However, the extent of Robert Minchin's landholings, as occupier are shown on the green wash part of the Tithe Map of Bishop's Sutton below.
The blue circle is Northside Farm where William Bignell lived. The red circle is the Homestead, plot 217. This is what 875 acres looks like. Nearly a quarter of the acreage of the Parish.
- Landowner Henry Campbell Esquires & John Wyndham Esquires
- Occupier Robert Minchin
- Parish Bishop's Sutton
- County Hampshire
- Original Date 31st December 1847
- Description of Land The Homestead
- Quantities In Statute Measure 1,3,0
- Plot 217
Plot 217 is a possible place for Sutton Farm. It is on the farmland associated with both this and Northside Farm. There is a walking route for the Census Enumerator, were this is plausibly the next property following Northside Farm. It is large enough to farm 875 acres. It is the only other large farm in the green area.
On the old OS 25" map it is called Manor Farm. The farm is still operating at time of writing, and the Manor Farm House is listed. Historic England.
I think that will do for Sutton Farm as mentioned in the 1861 Census, unless I find more definitive information.
Death
Conclusion
Conclusion
Key data about William Bignall and his family.
Dates
Key Dates
| Name | Relationship | Birth | Baptism | Marriage | Death | Interval between children | Mothers age at birth |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thomas Bignell | Father | 22 Jan 1762 | 26 Jun 1799 | 1844 | |||
| Louise Deacon | Mother | 1836 | |||||
| William Bignell | Head | 1814 | 14 Aug 1814 | 23 Jan 1841 | 1885 | ||
| Mary Butcher | Wife | 1821 | 1906 | ||||
| Stephen Bignell | Son | Apr 1841 | 11 Apr 1841 | (Marriage Approx 3 m) | Approx 20 years | ||
| Harry Bignell | Son | 1843 | Approx 2 years | Approx 22 years | |||
| Charlotte Bignell | Daughter | 1844 | Approx 1 year | Approx 23 years | |||
| Sarah Ann Bignell | Daughter | 1846 | Approx 2 years | Approx 25 years | |||
| Thomas Bignell | Son | 1846 | REVIEW | Twin or Error | Approx 25 years | ||
| Mary Ann Bignell | Daughter | 1849 | Approx 3 years | Approx 28 years | |||
| Dorcas Bignell | Daughter | 1852 | Approx 3 years | Approx 31 years | |||
| Oilve Bignell | Daughter | 1854 | Approx 2 year | Approx 33 years | |||
| Ellen Bignell | Daughter | 1856 | Approx 2 year | Approx 35 years |
Data Sources / Evidence
Key Data Sources / Evidence
| Baptism | Marriage | Census | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Birth | Record |
Parish Image |
1841 |
1851 |
1861 |
1871 |
1881 |
1891 |
1901 |
1911 | Death | ||
| Thomas Bignell | XX | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | Labourer | |||||
| Louise Deacon | X | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | ^^ | X | ||||
| William Bignell | X | X | X | 25 | 35 | 45 | 53/55 | ^^ | ^^ | X | Labourer / Agr Labourer | |||
| Mary Butcher | X | 15 | 29 | 39 | 49 | Seamstress / Arg Lab Wife | ||||||||
| Stephen Bignell | 2 mth | 9 | ||||||||||||
| Harry Bignell | -- | 8 | ||||||||||||
| Charlotte Bignell | -- | 7 | ||||||||||||
| Sarah Ann Bignell | -- | 5 | ||||||||||||
| Thomas Bignell | -- | -- | ||||||||||||
| Mary Ann Bignell | -- | 2 | 13 | |||||||||||
| Dorcas Bignell | ||||||||||||||
| Oilve Bignell | 7 | |||||||||||||
| Ellen Bignell | 5 | |||||||||||||
Mary Bucher recorded as 15 years of age on 1841 census and 20 years of age on Marriage Certificate, also 1841.
Places of Interest
Places of Interest
| Place | Event | Date | Note |
| Birth | |||
| Bishop's Sutton, | Birth from Census, 1851, 61, 71 | ||
| . | Baptism | ||
| Bishop's Sutton | Marriage | 23 Jan 1841 | |
| Bishop's Sutton | Census 1841 | 6 June 1841 | |
| Baptism of | |||
| Northside Farm, Bishop's Sutton | Census 1851 | 30 March 1851 | |
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Northside Farm, Bishop's Sutton | Census 1861 | 7 April 1861 | |
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Baptism of | |||
| Census 1871 | 2 April 1871 | ||
| Census 1881 | 3 April 1881 | ||
| Death | Q1 1885 |
Bishop's Sutton, Alresford, Hampshire
William Bignell, of Bishop's Sutton, to avoid confusion with others of the same name, also in Hampshire, appears to have spent his whole life, in or around Bishop's Sutton, Alresford, Hampshire, and his working life at Northside or North Side Farm.
Tree
| Thomas Bignell | Louise Deacon | Isaac Butcher | Anne Winter | |||||||
| William Bignell | Mary Butcher | |||||||||
| Stephen | Harry | Charlotte | Sarah Ann | Mary Ann | Dorcas | Olive | Ellen | |||
| Thomas | ||||||||||
| next ancestor | or next ancestor | |||||||||
| child 1 | child 2 | child 3 | child 4 | child 5 | child 6 | child 7 | child 8 | child 9 | child 10 | |
