Travel data problems


Travel data problems

This is where it starts to get a little technical.

The site is built on a content management system, CMS, using Joomla. Joomla is moving forward and version 3.10.?? is being discontinued. Future developments are for version 4.??

Similarly, PHP 7 is being replaced with PHP 8.

Part of the migration is relatively simple, I have already changed to a new template which works on the new platforms.

However, some of the helper applications, which work within Joomla are not yet ready.

Fabrik is one of those applications, if fact a significant 'Joomla Custom Website Application Builder'.


Fabrik is a very extensive 

'... open source application development, form and database management component.

It gives people the power to create custom applications without requiring knowledge of mySQL and PHP, all from within a familiar Joomla administration interface.

Fabrik provides you with all the tools that you need to create applications that range in complexity from simple contact forms to complex applications such as a job application site or bug tracking systems. '

I have used it to create the whole of the travel data section of this website. Including the basics such as lists of countries, regions, and continents. These lists are used to populate lists of countries visited, list of trips, and border crossings.

The Fabrik website clearly states that it does support Joomla 4.

NOTICE: If you are using Fabrik and update to Joomla 3.10, you will need to update to Fabrik 3.10. And, if you are using Fabrik, do not upgrade to Joomla 4, we do not have a supported version ready for release. More information on a release date coming soon. Also, please note that Fabrik 3.10 will not install on any Joomla sites less than 3.8.

 There has also been a notice in the forum.

This rases some doubt in the future of Fabrik with respect to Joomla 4. Add this to the retirement of Joomla 3, it seems that the Travel Data section of my website is in jeopardy.


I bought a copy of Chronoforms7 as this seemed the most likely potential replacement. 

The first attempt was a multi-page form. This did not work. It was my misunderstanding. I was trying to build a multi FORM or multiple forms, all linked together, in a section that is for one form constructed over multi-pages.

 The next attempt was to utilize SP Page Builder for navigation and as the container for the Chronoforms7 lists and forms, but initially just lists.

Support for SP Page Builder told me that the product could not directly access the MSQL database holding the travel data. Whereas Chronoforms7 can access the database. Hence joining them together to see what can be achieved. Starting with a basic navigation page. That works OK with an accordion and buttons. Go to the 'United Nations classifications' tab, and click the blue button, labelled 'Go to the United Nations classifications section'United Nations classifications section'.

Another accordian, with three buttton types in each, Add, List, and Edit. Only List works at the moment. It looks to the database and populates the list. All good so far. Each list is produced as an output. However, although they are simple lists, they are interrelated, each a subset of the previous. I can get A and B to interact, but not A and B and then C. So I can't create them into a single three tier interrelated list. I have discussed this with ChromeForm7 support, and it seems that you have to start writing code.

Another problem is that each page is created as a general article which showes up on the sites article list. This will just confuse, am I reading an article or some random data?!

All this before even looking into the forms for Add or Edit.

OK, I can create list, but not manipulate it yet, and these lists are not even end product lists.

Letts see what an end product list looks like, Countries. I do get an output, but it does not render properly, especially compared to my Countries of the World, Fabrik driven predecessor.

All in all, no clear way forward.


This could be the end of the website.

13th September 2023 - The rescue

However, a potential way forward has been found. I have droped all of the attempts to have travel data on this site. The software related to this has been forcibly removed, not just by disabling or uninstalling, but additioanlly removing references to those sofware pacages from the directories and the database tables. So few, if any of the links above, in this atricle will work anymore.

This website is now deviod of that information.

This action has also allowed me to migrate from Joomla 3.10 to Joomla 4.3.

There is a future.





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News Flash

Repairs following hosting move


Spending some time this May repairing links and photos damaged in the move to the new website host. Particularly the articles transferred form the previous travelogue to this, the current Travel website. 

Change of host Sept 2023


Change of host Sept 2023


In the begining of August 2023 I transfered my sites, including this one from 123-reg to IONOS. It was meant to be a simple task. However, that was to to be the case. The reason for the move was primarily the hugh increase in price that 123-reg was applying regarding email boxes. Previously, the upto 500 of the boxes were included in the various hosting packages I had. Now they were going to charge for each mailbox based on size, and as far as I could make out, this was going to cost me nearly £2,000. This was not acceptable, and I did not get satisfactory answers from support. So I turned off all the auto renews and stated to move sites and domains accross to IONOS.

Refresh 2021


Site refresh Easter 2021

I decided to give the site a bit of a refresh over Easter 2021 and install a new template and some additional functions. One of the things I didn't like about the old site was the delay in text appearing which probably meant some people left before the content appeared. This has been disabled now.